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02-13-2011 , 01:25 AM
Being argue with some friends about this hand and lines to take.
I would like opinions on the best line.
Villian is vip 23 pfr 18 3bet vs sb 40 in 100 hands
He fight for every pot having fold for cbet 33% and raise cbet 67% Agro 6 total infinite on the flop and 4 on turn.
I m being playing pretty solid and he run over me some hands and he probably thinks he can outplay me.

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
HoldemManager
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($59.73)
UTG+1 ($18.73)
CO ($69.14)
BTN ($21.26)
Hero ($29.17)
BB ($27.12)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is SB Q Q
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: 7 9 5 ($1.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.90, BB raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.35

Turn: 3 ($8, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $6, $6 to Hero ($25.17)?

As i expected he raised my flop cbet and went for the line call flop raise and check/raise any brick turn that way allowing him overcarry his top pairs and draws and infliate the pot badly.
What line do u guys take on this hand?

Regards (sorry for my bad english)
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02-13-2011 , 01:30 AM
Why'd you steal Grindcore's avatar?

And wp if you shoved the turn. There are plenty of pair + draw hands that are going to get it in with you here.
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02-13-2011 , 01:36 AM
I did shove....
Didn t steal a friend had on his pc i used it ... i guess i will change it lol
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02-13-2011 , 01:39 AM
Given your read I would 3bet the flop to stack off against the wide variety of draws he can have. Flatting isn't good because loads of turns are scare cards; A, K, 6, 8, any club... your giving his draws a free card. We get more out of our equity by raising now and forcing his bad draws to fold and his good draws to stack.

I don't like the c/r on the turn with these stack sizes because he's folding all worse hands, and draws aren't getting the right odds to call because our shove is an overbet. It turns QQ into a bluff. If we are flatting flop its to c/c or lead turn, not to c/r.

Given your read I might be tempted to make the 3bet size smallish to induce a shove from him.
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02-13-2011 , 01:47 AM
FWIW, a turn check/shove is just under a pot sized raise, not an overbet.

3b'ing the flop is a bad idea here as villain's range is HIGHLY weighted towards bluffs and semi bluffs, and with his aggro tendencies, it's never getting checked thru on the turn.

Kinda a similar hand against an aggro player:

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL RUSH (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $58.50
SB: $62.90
BB: $130.35
UTG: $71.55
MP: $57.50
Hero (CO): $65.85

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has Q 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 2 Q 9
Hero bets $2.00, BTN raises to $8.25, Hero calls $6.25

Turn: ($20.25, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.50, Hero raises to $56.10 and is all-in, BTN calls $32.25 and is all-in

River: ($117.75, 2 players) 5

BTN shows A T (High Card, Ace) (PreFlop 65%, Flop 34%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows Q 9 (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (PreFlop 35%, Flop 66%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins $114.75
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02-13-2011 , 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jr4284
FWIW, a turn check/shove is just under a pot sized raise, not an overbet.

3b'ing the flop is a bad idea here as villain's range is HIGHLY weighted towards bluffs and semi bluffs, and with his aggro tendencies, it's never getting checked thru on the turn.

Kinda a similar hand against an aggro player:
That makes sense then, cheers. I was wrong.
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02-13-2011 , 05:55 AM
LOL i fold.
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02-13-2011 , 06:12 AM
What are you doing when the turn comes as any of the 9 clubs, or the 4 eights that are in there, or the 9 cards that pair the board? C/f? C/c -> c/f river?

3betting the flop is a great idea here because he has many hands that he will feel compelled to peel the turn with at the right price here and if you do it to the right size you can actually give him the illusion of FE, because you should be bluff 3betting the flop occasionally as well.

The reason this should work better is because being oop and without the initiative with a lot of very bad cards to come, he is basically going to be able to play perfectly against you and you may have to c/fold on a lot of turns.

Im raise/calling to $8.50 and shoving almost any turn (theres some I'm probably not going to be happy about and maybe a couple of bad ones like a 6c that i'm just going to c/fold.
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02-13-2011 , 06:44 AM
Why did you not 4-bet pre vs. a villain that 3-bets 40% of his bbs bvb? He's the likeliest variety of microstakes villains to level himself into 5-bet shoving with far worse. As played, your line is fine.
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