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01-21-2010 , 07:01 PM
I folded QQ pre today than any other day. I think it can generally be said that shoving QQ over a 4bet is a -EV play and the same with AK in rush tables.

I almost folded KK to a 5bet because I forgot to reset my stack and the effectives were in the 300bbs. Good grief he had KK too
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01-21-2010 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kilowaro
I folded QQ pre today than any other day. I think it can generally be said that shoving QQ over a 4bet is a -EV play and the same with AK in rush tables.

I almost folded KK to a 5bet because I forgot to reset my stack and the effectives were in the 300bbs. Good grief he had KK too
I don't agree with the first paragraph. I have 4b bluffed successfully more in two days at Rush Poker than I have this past month at my regular tables. As for the second I wouldn't be putting myself in that position often that deep.
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01-21-2010 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mccreadj
I'm down 10 buyins after playing 3 hours of this... I'm going to have to go back to the regular tables down a level and spend a few weeks rebuiding my bankroll. I never won once with AK. QQ and JJ all-in lost every time.
Sounds similar to my session.

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01-21-2010 , 07:23 PM
Taking shots at 25NL rush poker is very profitable imo. I'll be rolled for 25NL in no time. I just wish the player pool was as big as 10NL for 6-max.

<everyone awaits the impending busto>
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01-21-2010 , 07:26 PM
Anyone tried limp re-raising yet?
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01-21-2010 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ligic


Ok i lied, rush poker ain't that bad
Stakes?
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01-21-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxaon
Anyone tried limp re-raising yet?
shh!
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01-21-2010 , 07:37 PM
Rush poker is easy



I'm just really annoyed that my FTP rakeback's not going through properly, as I set it all up, and didn't deposit for too long.
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01-21-2010 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by emmet08
I'm just really annoyed that my FTP rakeback's not going through properly, as I set it all up, and didn't deposit for too long.
Who do you have? I got my rakeback through rakebrain, and my rakeback isn't showing up until 2 days afterwards. So my rake for january 19th just showed up today. I haven't played on FTP for a while, I remember it used to be very fast.
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01-21-2010 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Smaptastic
Seriously, it's just a fast, readless game. I understand how people can think it's a "lower" form of poker given the fact that it removes a lot of the elements people consider (perhaps rightfully) to be "skill."

That said, I can't imagine that anyone who is properly adjusting is seeing larger swings here. ABC poker is low(ish) variance and is killing it right now. Sure you might see more variance/hour, but that's because you're putting in a ton of hands, or you're just not adjusting well.

As far as I am concerned, this game is an absolute godsend for uNL grinders who want to build a bankroll without much stress involved. It doesn't improve your game, but it certainly has the capacity to improve your bankroll.
the higher variance is due to bad play. i've had many cooler hands, it isn't because i played them bad, or because i'm playing bad.. it is simply because they are coolers. what am i going to do when i flop a str8 and get shoved into? fold? or get shoved in with KK preflop? i'm not folding any of those hands, nor am i folding sets OTF. many players are experiencing way higher variance due to the perception that people are playing a lot looser (while in reality, some are and some aren't.) the problem with rush poker is we are readless.

at 25nl, i have had a lot better luck.. up 8BI. too bad i am down over 17 BI at 10nl. i think because the play is more predictable at 25nl (people 3bet and 4bet/call a shove with AK pre.)
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01-21-2010 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hk_boarder
Who do you have? I got my rakeback through rakebrain, and my rakeback isn't showing up until 2 days afterwards. So my rake for january 19th just showed up today. I haven't played on FTP for a while, I remember it used to be very fast.
rakebackftw.com, problem has nothing to do with the affiliate. Apparently your account must have at least 25 dollars in it at some stage in the first 60 days after you sign up for rakeback.

I signed up to watch the Isildur1 vs Durrr games, not reading the fine print. Now, after my exams and other Christmas related delays, I get around to playing on FTP for first time, but, its too late.
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01-21-2010 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kimdoocheol
the higher variance is due to bad play. i've had many cooler hands, it isn't because i played them bad, or because i'm playing bad.. it is simply because they are coolers. what am i going to do when i flop a str8 and get shoved into? fold? or get shoved in with KK preflop? i'm not folding any of those hands, nor am i folding sets OTF.
I'm definitely not folding in any of the situations you mentioned above. One thing I've noticed though is that while the fish are making many loose call-downs and giving me tons of value, often people are folding so much that when you get into a hand the probability of someone having a stronger hand is higher.

I guess because a 12/10 can be involved in almost as many pots as a 35/20 in the same amount of time.
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01-21-2010 , 07:59 PM
F all of you and your pretty little grafs
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01-21-2010 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by emmet08
rakebackftw.com, problem has nothing to do with the affiliate. Apparently your account must have at least 25 dollars in it at some stage in the first 60 days after you sign up for rakeback.

I signed up to watch the Isildur1 vs Durrr games, not reading the fine print. Now, after my exams and other Christmas related delays, I get around to playing on FTP for first time, but, its too late.
I signed up for FTP through an affiliate but did not deposit for a year and got the same line once I did. I sent FTP an email very politely saying that I wanted to play where I can get rakeback and they gave me rakeback immediately.
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01-21-2010 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hk_boarder
I feel like any all-in situation with less than KK at 10NL is bad news. I went all-in with AK once and saw AK, QQ is getting owned imo and JJ in < 40bbs situations.
i called a 5 bet shove with AJo for 100bb and had him dominated at 10nl 6max rush :shrug:
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01-21-2010 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by subs
i called a 5 bet shove with AJo for 100bb and had him dominated at 10nl 6max rush :shrug:
Damn you
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01-21-2010 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian J
I signed up for FTP through an affiliate but did not deposit for a year and got the same line once I did. I sent FTP an email very politely saying that I wanted to play where I can get rakeback and they gave me rakeback immediately.
yeah thats my plan, I was going to withdraw the money I've built up first to add weight to my "threat", but I'm making too much on Rush to give it up for even a week!
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01-21-2010 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxaon
Anyone tried limp re-raising yet?
Once with KK a previous limper at a 4am EST game and several deep stacked regs in late position/blinds. I knew at least one of them would want some of that "free" money. I got a bigger then normal raise, original limper called and I shoved. Ended up he had QQ so, meh. Maybe I am just bitter he flopped his set.
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01-21-2010 , 08:50 PM
The limp reraise UTG is an excellent weapon in the hands of the right player. Nothing quite like the limp, call cold 4bet, call 5bet AI and one caller with AA. Lovely manoeuvre.
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01-21-2010 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by emmet08
The limp reraise UTG is an excellent weapon in the hands of the right player. Nothing quite like the limp, call cold 4bet, call 5bet AI and one caller with AA. Lovely manoeuvre.
The right player? Any idiot can do it :P I'm one such any idiot.
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01-21-2010 , 09:11 PM
see what this rush poker has done... were now talking about limp rr.. o god
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01-21-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
see what this rush poker has done... were now talking about limp rr.. o god
limp reraise is essentially a C/R preflop...

Fwiw, I don't recall ever having limp reraised, apart from in PLO with AAKKss vs a 100/100/100 ******.

But, there's nothing wrong with Rush poker making people limp raise, its a dynamic of the game that Rush could encourage, but its exploitable, like all "plays".

Adapting and recognising weaknesses has always been the most profitable way to play poker, and Rush doesn't change that.
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01-21-2010 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by emmet08
The limp reraise UTG is an excellent weapon in the hands of the right player. Nothing quite like the limp, call cold 4bet, call 5bet AI and one caller with AA. Lovely manoeuvre.
I guess you're talking about someone after you raising, and then someone else after him 3-betting. In which case you would have gotten the same action either way.

Except with limping there's a good chance everyone else folds behind you and the BB checks. Then you lose value. Or you immediately scare someone out of the hand and lose value.

Also a limp/re-raise requires that you be oop a lot of the time so I don't know how profitable it would be as a bluff.
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01-21-2010 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hk_boarder
I guess you're talking about someone after you raising, and then someone else after him 3-betting. In which case you would have gotten the same action either way.

Except with limping there's a good chance everyone else folds behind you and the BB checks. Then you lose value. Or you immediately scare someone out of the hand and lose value.

Also a limp/re-raise requires that you be oop a lot of the time so I don't know how profitable it would be as a bluff.
I made that situation up, I'm a standard TAG and sometimes sLAG. Not a hope I'd think of limp reraising
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01-21-2010 , 09:56 PM
My rakeback on rakebackpros did show up for my sessions played yesterday this morning. I always found with my regular 5nl sessions it would be posted within a few hours but it's up none the less.

Thoughts: As far as being a micro grinder, I have to say I find this a lot easier to play casually then 4-tabling 5nl. The rakeback for 3ish hours of playing over the course of the day(didn't track number of hands) was about $8 which is actually more than I make normally with a long 5nl sessions so that's a plus. I think the big advantage for regs is that it is a great way if you want to put some volume in without the hassles of table selection, shortstackers buying in and sticking around and tables dying out.

I can legitimately see this being a way for a relatively new micro grinder, such as myself, to build a bankroll quickly. At least until I get a decent enough roll to play 25nl and would probably then want to move back and forth between multi-tabling and rush depending on mood, schedule, sundays, etc.

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