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02-04-2010 , 01:34 PM
UTG: $20.00
CO: $22.72
Hero (BTN): $19.70
SB: $20.00
BB: $66.31

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BTN with 9 Q
1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, 2 folds, CO calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.90) 5 4 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.90) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3

River: ($9.90) J (2 players)
CO bets $17.92, Hero ?


Villain is 32/20/1.7. What do you expect he shows up with if I call?
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02-04-2010 , 01:41 PM
Any flush, straight, maybe a set sometimes. Why do you care? It's an easy call regardless. Would be closer with a 7-8 high flush.
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02-04-2010 , 01:42 PM
call?
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02-04-2010 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by qazikm2000
call?
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Originally Posted by BurningMoney
Villain is 32/20/1.7. What do you expect he shows up with if I call?
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02-04-2010 , 04:05 PM
oops my bad. He can have JJ, flushes, rarely a 3, a few combos of sets.
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02-04-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thepaul1
Any flush, straight, maybe a set sometimes. Why do you care? It's an easy call regardless. Would be closer with a 7-8 high flush.
Well obviously I care because I could lose money if I make a bad call lol. I folded but I'm not sure if it was correct.

I don't see why he would c/c with a set or straight on the turn but then be willing to make a huge overbet allin on a 3 to a flush river. He has to have a flush here to make a bet like that but I'm having trouble seeing what rivered flush doesn't bet the turn. If he had 67s or 56s he would be betting the turn.

So that leaves -
Ax
KJ/K10
JT

And I only beat JT. So am I being too nitty or do my reasons for folding make sense?
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02-04-2010 , 04:14 PM
He has a flush somehow. He is very loose so there are worse flushes in his range.
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02-04-2010 , 04:26 PM
i snap this off all day, its a 3bet pot he can have all sorts of trash like badly played sets and not believe you for any flushes. its backdoor to the flop and largely flush vs flush to me HU is a cooler. wouldn't Axhh surely bet the turn? not just that but what Axhh is there? there's AK, and AT- out there but with the exception of AK flatting a 3bet cold from button is a terrible idea with Axs hands. his river bet seems so confident though, that's my only problem. i still call because we're ahead of other flushes. and i dont think he shows up with Axhh or Khh enough here.
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02-04-2010 , 04:53 PM
Villain has A5 of hearts.

BUT I STILL CALL.
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02-04-2010 , 05:37 PM
why did u 3bet pre, i don't like 3 betting at all in this spot. it's not for value really and unless he's got a high fold to 3bet%, which from his stats is unlikely, this isnt going to fold him enough to be profitable. i lean toward folding pre.

why aren't u cbetting this flop after 3 betting? i'm cbetting and barreling the turn here.


previous poster has said that there are worse flushs in his range but really there arent many. he's got a 20 PFR so he's not very loose with his raises PF, but loose with his calls.

idk these spots are always tilting, but i feel we've been dealt the second best hand.

Last edited by Comstizzle; 02-04-2010 at 05:44 PM.
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02-04-2010 , 05:46 PM
fold most likely he called pre with KT/AT,A8 etc of hearts than Th8h
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02-04-2010 , 06:37 PM
Such a ridiculous fold. As the hand played out villain doesn´t put you on the third nuts, he probably puts you on whiffed overs or some slowplayed overpair. He absolutely doesn´t think you have a three, so he probably thinks he can valuetown you with impunity with 2pair+. He hopes you have at least something to call with.
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02-04-2010 , 06:40 PM
Now we're folding flushes in 3 bet pots. What has the world come to?
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02-04-2010 , 06:44 PM
sick fold
what was ur read?
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02-04-2010 , 08:50 PM
Fist pump call. Cry if coolered. Rinse and repeat.
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02-04-2010 , 11:01 PM
He's repping your hand, ldo.
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02-05-2010 , 01:53 AM
I'm in the call camp. Most times those overbets on the river are nuts hands but his perception of the nuts may be any set or straight or of course lower flushes. If he heavily discounts a back door flush for you then those hands would appear to be the nuts. I think almost all of his range can beat an overpair which you are sort of representing so he can be can be pushing with other hands. And your line looks really weak too so I think you have to call.
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02-05-2010 , 02:47 AM
I snap call. he can't have KQh, or KJh, most people don't call with KT oop but u never know.. Axh is only thing that beats you, i mean that's in his range I guess sometimes cuz he is pretty loose.
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02-05-2010 , 03:30 AM
This is an easy call. Very unlikely that he has the K high or A high flush. Much more likely that he was trying to represent the flush, but grossly overbet his bluff.
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02-05-2010 , 03:35 AM
he shows A3, but no hearts
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02-05-2010 , 07:19 AM
I am never folding the river thats for sure. But if I had 3 bet preflop with this hand I am cbetting the flop I guess!?
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02-05-2010 , 07:23 AM
You folded a flush in a 3bet pot
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02-05-2010 , 07:24 AM
snap call ldo
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02-05-2010 , 07:24 AM
dont 3bet this guy whit the queen and the nine of hearths
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02-07-2010 , 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by soadhead88
This is an easy call. Very unlikely that he has the K high or A high flush. Much more likely that he was trying to represent the flush, but grossly overbet his bluff.
I think I can rule out bluffs, the only hands he could have on this river that now could bluff are A7s and 79s. There is nothing else I can see that would c/c the that doesn't have showdown value here. And I think he would've led out on the turn if he wanted to bluff me off what looked like missed overcards. He definitely has something when he c/c the turn. I just don't see what lower flushes wouldn't bet the turn, if he had 56s/67s he would surely bet the turn if I checked the flop rather than letting me take another free card. And I don't see him overbetting allin with a set on a 3 to a flush, 4 to a straight river - I definitely put him on a flush here. I don't know maybe he did c/c with 56s/67s/87s on the turn, I just felt like he was very strong here and I wasn't getting a great price.

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Originally Posted by spraggy
You folded a flush in a 3bet pot
It's hardly your typical 3bet pot situation. The pot is very small on the river for a 3bet pot. If this was a standard pot and I bet flop and turn the pot would be bigger than it is now.

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Originally Posted by RaiseDaAce
I am never folding the river thats for sure. But if I had 3 bet preflop with this hand I am cbetting the flop I guess!?
Yeah, meant to cbet it but missed it as I was playing alot of tables and had some tough decisions on other tables.
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