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River XR Bluff thoughts? 5NL ACR River XR Bluff thoughts? 5NL ACR

06-06-2019 , 01:59 AM
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NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
BTN ($4.41) [VPIP: 42.6% | PFR: 25.5% | AGG: 32% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 47]
SB ($9.39) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 44.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 18]
HERO ($5.38) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | Hands: 73518]
HJ ($6.21) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 25.9% | AGG: 32% | 3-Bet: 7.2% | Hands: 464]
CO ($5.20) [VPIP: 26.6% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 21.6% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 448]

Dealt to Hero: 6 6

HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.15, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.10

Hero SPR on Flop: [13.31 effective]
Flop ($0.32): K 7 3
HERO Checks, BTN Checks

Turn ($0.32): K 7 3 5
HERO Bets $0.16 (Rem. Stack: 5.07), BTN Calls $0.16 (Rem. Stack: 4.10)

River ($0.64): K 7 3 5 Q
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.32 (Rem. Stack: 3.78), HERO Raises To $1.44 (Rem. Stack: 3.63)
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06-06-2019 , 04:17 AM
I think bigger turn and ob river if you want to get him off 7x/88-JJ, weak Kx
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06-06-2019 , 04:37 AM
BTN VPIP: 42.6% | PFR: 25.5%
is not the kind of opponent I would like to bluff, unless you got a read that his 1/2 is weak and he folds to x-raise. Also I would at his went to showdown stat. Also x-raising the river with low showdown value as a bluff is too fancy move for 5NL stakes.
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06-06-2019 , 05:54 AM
Don't really like it, you don't block much of value and don't represent much of value either.
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06-06-2019 , 06:25 AM
im checking turn we have showdown value and if we bet here we are bluffing a hand that have sd, otr you dont have qq, kk, or ak, so for me its a ez call if im the villain if i have something like Kx im calling your raise
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06-06-2019 , 03:34 PM
your river check for value makes little sense and villain doesn't look like the folding type so far
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06-06-2019 , 03:46 PM
If he folded, you had the best hand.
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06-06-2019 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
I think bigger turn and ob river if you want to get him off 7x/88-JJ, weak Kx
I'm still trying to figure out when to overbet and when to XR as a bluff. And also what the differentiating factors are.

I ran in through a solve and the turn checks more often than it bets although it is like 1/3 bet/2/3 check.

As for the river, I think I'd rather have a hand like 65s to XR bluff. Blocking pairs+straights is more important than just straights.

Thoughts?
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06-06-2019 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JozefD
BTN VPIP: 42.6% | PFR: 25.5%
is not the kind of opponent I would like to bluff, unless you got a read that his 1/2 is weak and he folds to x-raise. Also I would at his went to showdown stat. Also x-raising the river with low showdown value as a bluff is too fancy move for 5NL stakes.


This. These villains will call A7 on that board.
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06-06-2019 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm still trying to figure out when to overbet and when to XR as a bluff. And also what the differentiating factors are.

I ran in through a solve and the turn checks more often than it bets although it is like 1/3 bet/2/3 check.

As for the river, I think I'd rather have a hand like 65s to XR bluff. Blocking pairs+straights is more important than just straights.

Thoughts?
my thought process goes like this
I expect ip to mostly bet KJ+ and sets and mostly x the other pairs and weak Kx. don't think it's a far fetched assumption.
I will be probing turn with all my straights, sets, 2p (got all KXs) and KT+ , together with a lot of open enders and gutshots, cause not amazing sdv/blocks his straights and mid pairs/think these make more money by pressuring v on river
river Q is an overcard to most of his pairs, he prob bets KQ on flop, I can overbet and put a lot of pressure on JJ-88, KT and worse and 7x w/e else
ob river to pressure capped range with all 2p and better and 66,65s,75s,A4s,76s,86s,98s. might be too many combos of bluffs but then again v almost certainly doesn't x/ flop in a balanced way where I'd be worried I can run into AK and AA sometimes. if he does show up with these and sets I'l just take a note and be careful with probing and this line in the future.

don't think we need to think about a x/r range on a river v is unlikely to bet given action. does he really start betting weak Kx and mid pairs? the rest of the sd garbage that called turn and bricked river he prob just cbets.
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06-06-2019 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
my thought process goes like this
I expect ip to mostly bet KJ+ and sets and mostly x the other pairs and weak Kx. don't think it's a far fetched assumption.
I will be probing turn with all my straights, sets, 2p (got all KXs) and KT+ , together with a lot of open enders and gutshots, cause not amazing sdv/blocks his straights and mid pairs/think these make more money by pressuring v on river
river Q is an overcard to most of his pairs, he prob bets KQ on flop, I can overbet and put a lot of pressure on JJ-88, KT and worse and 7x w/e else
ob river to pressure capped range with all 2p and better and 66,65s,75s,A4s,76s,86s,98s. might be too many combos of bluffs but then again v almost certainly doesn't x/ flop in a balanced way where I'd be worried I can run into AK and AA sometimes. if he does show up with these and sets I'l just take a note and be careful with probing and this line in the future.

don't think we need to think about a x/r range on a river v is unlikely to bet given action. does he really start betting weak Kx and mid pairs? the rest of the sd garbage that called turn and bricked river he prob just cbets.
So you use overbets when Villain checks at some point in the hand (mostly the flop) because capped range etc.

And we maybe could use XR bluffs when Villain did not check at any point?

Thanks for the analysis.
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06-06-2019 , 05:57 PM
you guys don't seem to realize how strong our hand is bb vs btn when only 1/2 potbet went it
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06-06-2019 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
So you use overbets when Villain checks at some point in the hand (mostly the flop) because capped range etc.

And we maybe could use XR bluffs when Villain did not check at any point?
This exactly.
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06-06-2019 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
you guys don't seem to realize how strong our hand is bb vs btn when only 1/2 potbet went it
It's hard to believe there's a lot of bluffs in there with this sizing. I'd think of it as a merged value bet with something that beats 4th pair but isn't strong. With the straight blocker, that sizing, and what I think that betting range looks at as described above, I don't think this bluff is bad although I might try it with the reads we have on this particular player being a whale. So calls no horrible. I think all the options are good here tbh.
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06-06-2019 , 06:36 PM
You cannot turn a hand this strong into a bluff if you want to defend at the right frequency

You'd have to either bluff too much or call with worse hands than 66
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06-06-2019 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
You cannot turn a hand this strong into a bluff if you want to defend at the right frequency

You'd have to either bluff too much or call with worse hands than 66
Are you advocating x/c the turn? Or x/cing the river?
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06-06-2019 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
It's hard to believe there's a lot of bluffs in there with this sizing. I'd think of it as a merged value bet with something that beats 4th pair but isn't strong. With the straight blocker, that sizing, and what I think that betting range looks like at as described above, I don't think this bluff is bad although I might not try it with the reads we have on this particular player being a whale. So calls not horrible. I think all the options are good here tbh.
Fixed. Don't know how words and letters get left out sometimes.
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06-06-2019 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Are you advocating x/c the turn? Or x/cing the river?
the river ofc!
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06-06-2019 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
the river ofc!
What hands would you XR for bluffs then?
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06-07-2019 , 06:20 AM
This is btn vs bb and you got to the turn with 100% of ur range, it's not like it's going to be difficult to find crap to xr with.

Or are you implying that we should never give up on the river if we can't win at showdown?
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06-07-2019 , 06:34 AM
i really dont understand why u debate so much, we dont have to bluff hands that have sd value, and thats it.
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