Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $22.33
CO: $24.38 <<< 50/15 over 20 hands 1 tabling drooler
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $6.76
BB: $26.53
UTG: $31.57
UTG+1: $29.28
MP1: $18.85 <<< 27/27 over 12 hands 1 tabling fish as well

No reads on either fish.

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with T T
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.10) T 4 6 (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

The checking on this flop went snap check/check between players, was pretty dry so I decided to let it least 1 of them catch something on the turn that they would bet or call with.

Turn: ($4.10) 9 (3 players)
MP1 bets $2.92, CO folds, Hero raises to $7.50, MP1 calls $4.58

My sizing, thoughts? Higher to something like 9.75? Or even higher?

River: ($19.10) 7 (2 players)
MP1 bets $10.10 all in, Hero... ?

I mean if he turned the straight and has 78 well money was going in on turn anyways... A gutshot hit however he could have something like 108 or 98?

Should I have bet a bit more on turn to feel more committed on river? Either way he'd still go all in for 7$ instead of 10$

Are we calling or folding when it 4 straights?

fold.... bet flop, zoimg i flop top set vs droolers so let me check??... bro bet bet shove

Normally I would bet flop 100% of the time but the speed of these checks was 1 of them insta checking and the other 1 having hit checkfold it least it seemed that fast.

Also as played you say fold river?

river is close as in he easily have a 8 here, and he easily have missed draws and shove cause well they are fish and with those stats i assume they aren't as passive as other fish, u didnt post agf but im assuming... its a spot otr where folding or calling probably is so close in ev it doesn't matter what you do but i fold just cause when i lose stacks to fish i go on tilt & question my plays further into the session

p.s timing tells= overrated, especially micro stakes holdem where most guys are mass tabling and whether someone tanks or does something quickly it doesn't matter too much

If I had raised bigger on the turn, this is a more +ev call on the river? as pot is 23.6~ and he would shove for 7.75ish

Also as played or a similar spot what is your sizing when fish donks and you raise? You try to keep it under 10 or what? How big do you go based on their donk and pot size?

Not betting the flop is criminal I believe. Especially against fish.

I would have made turn raise bigger myself but not sure if that matters a ton here.

well you basically minraised the turn which dont make much sense to me since you checked back the flop, raise more ott or flat, i dont like either play personally just cuz if im checking the flop im calling turn, and im never checking flop so yea...but if u r going to raise turn make it 10 or shove due to stack size as making it $10 ott is the same as shoving so yea....

This is such a non standard flop play by me as I bet this every time guess I overestimated the fishies timing

I believe sizing matters somewhat on the flop as there isn't really any draws and I want BOTH droolers to call like with mid and bottom pair, so what kind of sizing do you go for on a non draw flop to get them both to call?

I make it like $3 fish are not looking a sizing just there cards. The fact that they are fish should want you to bet flop everytime.

Looking at it closer I definitely make turn more as well. you are basically giving him like 3 to 1 on a call on the turn.

A fish might call a pair of 6s for a 2.25 bet but probably not a 3.5 bet? But I guess I overestimate sizing as well sometimes as fish don't really care on the size much at all

You also have to realize they liked there hands preflop as well because of there raising pre. Which would make it less likely imo that they fold to a flop bet as well.

Not betting flop is fine. This is a really dry flop in a 3b pot. You have the deck crippled at this point. Regardless of opponents, checking flop is fine. Fish aren't calling you with nothing. They are going strictly by hand value which is hard to have here.

As played turn bet needs to be bigger, closer to $9, and the river is a call. Villain's MP1 range includes a hell of a lot of other stuff besides an 8, especially that which bets turn.


Edit: looking back at the hand, I don't think that raising flop is bad, but I think that it is +EV to check flop. There are no cards that can come on the turn that you are going to really hate...

why are we assuming MP is a fish? hes played 3 out of 12 hands, and was PFR in all 3. was there specific reads that he is, indeed, a fish?

He's 1 tabling and his stack size isn't anywhere close to full.

Took a shower and came back, after thinking about it, raising flop is pretty bad. After it goes check, check what hands are you hoping to get value from? MP1 can have JJ/QQ, maybe 99, but isn't continuing with much else. There really isn't much CO can have that will continue, most likely has broadway cards.

Folding river is also really bad even as played, so few 8s in his raise/call turn range compared to sets/2p hands. Only really suited connectors w/ hearts and Ah8h...

You mean betting flop right? So you like my line to check as the board is pretty dry? Or do you mean raising turn? I'm a little confused

Ya, sorry, I meant bet flop. I like the line to check behind. You are folding out so many hands that you will get 1-2 bets out of later when they hit the turn with next to no worries in terms of being drawn out on. Betting flop really serves no purpose, even against fish. If anything, if they are fish they are even less likely to call with their mid-pairs because there is an overcard...

If you called river, I think you played this hand fine, other than needing to raise more on the turn over their bet.

As played would you make turn 9ish or just shove as exo and others said due to stack sizes?

Shoving isn't bad, I think its more +EV to raise to $10-$11 (re-thinking it) with the intention of getting it in on pretty much any river (certainly on a 7 river...)

I usually like to keep my raises under then 10$ mark or do you not consider this bet-sizing to give you extra folds? Which rivers are you NOT getting it in lol?

Why do you want folds? What hands that beat you are folding? We are betting for value here. I guess the Jh or Qh would piss me off the most, maybe 7h also. Would still be hard to fold but ya...

Insta checking doesn't mean jack. People insta check slow play all the time.

just bet the flop

This is really bad thinking.

If villain is a ******ed, awful fish and likes his hand he's calling 2.25 or 3.5 cause he doesn't know jack about pot odds or wtf proportional bets to the flop are. It doesn't matter how much you bet if he likes his hand and can't fold. If he calls both you're just cutting into your EV betting less.

All those times villain calls your 3.5 bet instead of your 2.25 you make an additional $1.25. Add up all those $1.25 overtime and you miss so much money when you bet the flop too small.

We as humans convince ourselves that we have to bet smaller in order to keep him in the hand or induce him to bluff when in reality that isn't the case against some tard that doesn't know anything about poker.

Bet flop
As played i prob still call