Not really sure if this belongs here or in BBV since it's essentially just a bad beat story, but...

I've been 6tabling 10NL for the past few days and have been making about 10BB/100 (which I know is too high to realistically keep up over a large sample), when this happened...

I was dealt AA, KK and AK in three consecutive hands on one table and was felted with all three. Here's a compilation of screenies.



The second two I played correctly by getting it all in preflop, but I'm looking for a little advice on how I played the AA hand. I limped in early position planning to limp/raise, as there were a few looser players on the table who'd I'd expect to take a jab at a steal, but it didn't happen and we took the flop with something stupid like 6 players. I know doing that is totally asking for trouble, but I flopped a set, so it turned out okay. Or so I thought. Let me know what you think of how I played this one.


Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

SB: $12.39
BB: $10.10
UTG: $3.70
Hero (UTG+1): $14.07
UTG+2: $10.00
MP1: $2.94
MP2: $10.76
CO: $19.94
BTN: $2.92

UTG+2 posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is UTG+1 with A A
UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG+2 checks, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.60) A T K (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, UTG+2 folds, CO calls $0.55, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds

Turn: ($1.80) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, CO raises to $3, Hero calls $1.75

River: ($7.80) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, CO requests TIME, CO raises to $16.29 all in, Hero calls $6.92 all in

Neyck shows Q J a straight, Ace high

Feedback? In hindsight, I regret not 3betting allin on the turn instead of that stupid Johnny Chan play, but same result really anyway. Alarm bells went off when he 2.4x raised the turn, obv'. When an opponent cold calls a flop, then raises a turn, that kind of implies slow-playing, but other hands he could have been slow-playing include KK, TT, AK, AT and KT, all of which I beat, and I was only scared of QJ, which unfortunately was what he had.

Could I have avoided busting here? Should I have flatted the raise on the turn, then check/called the river? Or is check/calling with top set on a board as dry as that one way too nitty to even consider?

Feedback much appreciated.

Don't l/rr

At all, ever?

Never

I never say never, but:

not never, there are definitely a few situations where you can do it, just like everything as you read as being a "no-no" on 2+2 (this includes folding bottomset or KK pre).
generally you want a huge whale who raises a lot but does not 3bet but does not fold to 3bets either and be a bit deep with him. don't do it at a regular table its just ridiculous and transparent .
As played raise bigger on the flop and pound the turn (or ship it after he raises), you have the toppest sets and he has ridiculous amounts of pair +gs or two pairs (and even lower sets).The rest is just variance.

gl

Sweet, muchos appreciando, will try to cut my limpraising, and I'll get a whole lot more action on boards on which I am not beat.

i vote never also, unless you are able to fold AA when your beat

Sorry for resurrecting yesterday's topic, but just a note defending the limpraise strategy. With AA or KK, you have the best hand preflop, but rarely the best hand on the flop, so one advantage of limpraising is that it gets as much of your stack in preflop as possible. You're less likely to have opponents calling light and outflopping you. Honestly, I prefer scooping a 10 big blind pot preflop with AA or KK rather than commiting too much money on the flop with just one pair. Does this make sense?

never is never the correct answer in poker.

this is erroneous thinking, I see where you are coming from and I am pretty sure we all went through that at some point but to give you a hint :

in this case (scooping a 10bb pot pre is a good result) why don't you do it with another hand which is not the best hand in the game with 80% equity against anything ?
Not that you should do it, but just think about it.

AA and KK

[ ] rarely the best hand on the flop

Don't shortstack imo.


How about never folding the nuts on the river?

well it's not really a question whether or not you should fold the nuts on river, right?

Should I spew away my bankroll because of tilt?

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bingo.

Deep tables or regs who go crazy after isoing come to mind.

This + so much!

Of course, OP did have top set and 3rd nuts on the river. Can't blame him for not getting away from this.

I don't say never L/RR, but I tend to save this move for people who attack limpers, and usually I won't have a strong hand when I do this. In the micros, especially at 10NL, there is such a lack of aggression and so many calling stations that this move is pretty bad. You're pretty much going to expect a bunch of limpers and in a 6 way pot, pocket aces are usually an underdog to the field. Here you've got a 6bb pot vs 6 opponents. If you raise to 4 or 5BB here to iso the original limper, you're going to have a bigger pot, lower SPR, and a smaller field to contend with.

AA or KK will usually make the best hand on the flop in comparison to what your opponents will be holding.

Limp/reraising doesn't get in as much of your stack preflop as possible because you are only putting in 1bb PF, compared to putting in 3bb or 4bb if you raise. Also, many times people will limp in after you in CO/BTN with speculative hands especially if they know you limp in with premium hands, if you raise PF they will still probably call you in position with these same hands. If your plan is to get in as much money as possible PF then you should be putting in a raise in 99% of situations.

You want opponents to call your PF raises lightly when you have a good hand. The more speculative hands an opponent calls with the better equity our hand will have on the flop and the more money we will make.

When you get AA or KK (well any hand that you decide to play actually) your goal should be to play your hand in the way that you think will make you the most money not trying to minimize potential losses.

I've been up for about 24 hrs. so if anything in my post doesn't make sense or if I made a mistake someone feel free to point it out please.

Nice SN.

I stopped reading right there as I charge for bad beat stories and no one can top mine anyway. Take your bad beat stories to BBV.

Garon

Beat: reloading for ~$3.40 in hands 2 and 3.
Variance: saying you played hands 2 and 3 correctly getting them in preflop. see above.