I lost my hand history but I have been thinking about the hand and wanted to post the general details to hear what the experts think. OK first some history Villain 1 is typical short LAG new to table . Villain 2 has been playing something like 28/20 for the 150 or so hands at this table first time playing with him. I am UTG playing 23/20 for this table at this point.

.01/.02 nl (6 max) pokerstars
Hero is UTG $9.20
Villain 1 is UTG +2 $0.70
Villain 2 is SB $7.80

Preflop
Hero has KK raises to $.10, Villain 1 raises to $.70 and is all in, Villain 2 raises to $1.80, Hero.....?

It really feels like villain is squeezing here let me know what you think

pretty hard to be squeezing there, ducy?

How's he squeezing a all in opponent?

squeeze is not the right term i guess more of an isolation play was how it felt to me at the time. When he makes that raise it just looked to me like AJ+ or medium pair and he wants to raise to eliminate my UTG opening range from being able to call. Do you think villain makes that raise with AA here? I guess it could make sense for that line with AA - QQ (KK not being likely due to elimination) do to that bet being $.50 more than min raise and trying to get as much money in as possible pre while making my Ax hands fold and not giving me set mine odds with any of my PPs. I think my play there if I were villain with AA would lean towards flatting the AI pre and leading with big bet on flop or possibly a min raise pre to start to build a side pot.

I guess my real question is should we be leaning towards calling his bet pre and b/r flop as long an A doesn't drop or 5 betting and if we are 5 betting here how much.

I think I shove, the pot is already more than 1 buy in and we are only afraid of 1 hand. If you run into AA its a 400bb of a cooler.

this is what i did

As I am new to the forum i guess I shouldn't have asked the squeezing question up there sorry for the wrong terminology.

Doesn't anyone else play deep at these levels that could give me some input here? The question I really was asking is if you are hero what is your play here given stack sizes.

Thanks fastbelly for your helpful response

Don't play poker if you plan on folding here

I am never folding here that is why it was never mentioned until you.

I'd shove. If he has AA, then it's a cooler, you won't be getting away from AA on the flop anyway.

Lol at anyone thinking KK is autostack-off preflop 400bb deep w/o considering villain's tendencies.

+10

Villain 3bets with an incredibly wide range of hands. I'd be inclined to 4bet to like 4 and snap a shove. Siciliano it isn't common for people at NL2 to be considering stack sizes as much as it is for them to consider 'I HAVE 99+/AK/AQ/AJ NOT FOLDING FOR 7 DOLLARS'

I think 5bet shoving is massive spew here without reads, do we REALLY expect villain to call our shove with anything worse than KK+ 400bb deep????

Please don't say comments like "this is 2nl, no one ever folds b/c it's only a few dollars", this is NOT true. I was a reg-fish at 2nl until a month ago (and still play at the 2nl deep tables now), I hardly see any one push/call shove 100bb+ with TT/99/AQ. I know there are aggro fishes who shove all the time, but these fishes are usually

i) not deep (200bb+) unless running hot
ii) go broke very quickly and leave (they rarely reload)
iii) very easy to identify

I don't play in pokerstars so i don't kno how the 2nl game in there goes, but in this example, villian is 28/20 (yea, small sample size) so he's probably a semi-decent player (compare to majority of 2nl players). Even if he's an aggro fish, he can clearly tell u have a BIG hand when hero shoves $9.20 into a $2.60 pot.

We are clearly ahead of villian's 4bet range, but if we shove then we are crushed by his calling range imo. Even if he's calling 100% with QQ+, then you are just flipping (and I don't think a typical 28/20 is calling 100% with QQ this deep).

OP, surely you'll have some reads/ideas about him after 150 hands? Just giving VPIP/PFR really doesn't tell us anything about his tendencies. I don't understand why majority of the threads in this sub-forum only have VPIP/PFR with no reads on villain, then OP expect us to come up with a good decision on how to play a specific hand with such limited info.

I agree that KK isn't an autojam with these stacks and it will always be villain specific. Against this villain although I don't have much history I have picked up some bet tendencies and don't believe he is ahead but I do believe he doesn't consider stacks and is stacking off here light. What kind of line do you take here sisciliano? If villain is tighter how would that change things for you?

If you don't get it all in here what do you do? Are you getting away of a Q or J high flop? The pot is massive already, any flop bet will pretty much commit you and are you going to call and fold to a flop bet? Get it in. I wouldn't be surprised to see QQ AK call a shove here. Folding KK preflop is almost always wrong imo.

Ohhh and I ran 3 times KK into AA in about an hour today...

sorry for the bad karma the next time it happens the next time it happens I see four to a flush in your suit hitting the board

no really though against this particular villain there wouldn't be many boards that would have me folding due to his endless aggression towards me that is why I jammed and just got it in now (probably why he called too )

I believe there are some good players at this level esp. at the deep tables that is why I chose to play deep for a while here instead of going to .02/.05 to improve my game and thought process.

Are we possibly losing some value here against random villains from not putting in a smaller raise? Maybe not due to the bet sizes (55BB) but I think it may be +EV if we can induce calls from QQ, JJ, etc that most of the the time are folding to our jam. Are they sticking around even to a min raise?