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Raised facing a believable 3b cold calling range Raised facing a believable 3b cold calling range

06-19-2017 , 06:51 PM
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.78, PFR: 10.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 147)
Hero (SB): 106.7 BB
BB: 136.1 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 173 BB (VPIP: 25.12, PFR: 21.33, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 215)
CO: 140.9 BB (VPIP: 34.67, PFR: 32.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 83)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, fold

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 6 T 4
Hero bets 11.5 BB, BB raises to 33.7 BB, Hero calls 22.2 BB

Turn: (89.9 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BB bets 28 BB,

Big part of CC range often includes TT-AA, bluffs are what? Sizing froze me OTT.
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06-19-2017 , 06:58 PM
He reps exactly TT for value unless he flats some KK/AA pre. Not sure why anything, especially TT, raises such a dry flop but people are bad. When people get confusing in 3-bet pots resolving not to fold overpairs is a fair option and the one I usually take.
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06-19-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
He reps exactly TT for value unless he flats some KK/AA pre. Not sure why anything, especially TT, raises such a dry flop but people are bad. When people get confusing in 3-bet pots resolving not to fold overpairs is a fair option and the one I usually take.
Dont really agree that he's repping exactly TT and I do think he will have QQ (which might raise the flop) and AA (which might raise the flop) as well as potentially the other sets as well. Sometimes the cold calling range is very wide. And what bluffs can he have? AKs? KQs?
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06-19-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
He reps exactly TT for value unless he flats some KK/AA pre. Not sure why anything, especially TT, raises such a dry flop but people are bad. When people get confusing in 3-bet pots resolving not to fold overpairs is a fair option and the one I usually take.
He'll probably have 66 and 44 as well but I'm not folding either
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06-19-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
He'll probably have 66 and 44 as well but I'm not folding either
So just call turn and what?
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06-19-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by srmjr23
So just call turn and what?
If you call turn I think you're comitted to calling river because you'll be getting pretty excellent odds. Not like you're going to lead into him otr right?

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06-19-2017 , 11:33 PM
only bluffs I can feasibly see him having here are 78s with the backdoor flush draw, but yea either has overs or set of 10s majority of time
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06-19-2017 , 11:37 PM
you only need to be right on the river call around a quarter of the time to show profit, he likely isn't bluffing enough here to call imo Calling with QQ+ is better, but calling here against a less value heavy opponent (not at the micros) is good I think
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06-20-2017 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
He'll probably have 66 and 44 as well but I'm not folding either
Standard BB overcall with 66/44?
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06-20-2017 , 05:56 AM
Most of the time on micros when I don't know whats going on I'm pushing the F button and I'm moving on to the next hand.

I don't really believe that You have the best of it when You called that 3bet on flop. You left Yourself without position , initiative and in big inflated pot with mediocre showdown hand.

Don't forget that on flop its an already a 3 bet pot. I think the first mistake was Your flop sizing.

Like I said You have mediocre showdown hand so the plan should be:
1. take the pot outright with big cbet or
2. make it cheap to SD.

AD. 1. I would bet 70% -ish (hit it big anyway to take it down) ) not 50% like You did (big bets are scary and like You wrote small bets 25% can make Your oppent froze... when 50% is the worst sizing ever).
AD. 2. I would check the flop to pot control with intention to call a bet and I'll do the delayed cbet (big) on turn (on any card big or small) after him checking behind.

Doesn't help the fact that You don't know nothing about Villain. The gap between VPIP and PFR is rather big so You can assume that his rather passive.
So passive player is pounding on You on 3 bet flop after Your cbet, emmm... pressing that call button isn't a thing that I feel happy about.

Just to make this long post short: Plan Your Hands.

But I might be wrong

Last edited by suetroM; 06-20-2017 at 06:10 AM.
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06-20-2017 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Standard BB overcall with 66/44?
As opposed to standard 9bb cold call OOP with TT while not closing the action?
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06-20-2017 , 08:56 AM
Villain appears laggy based on small sample. It seems less likely that a 35/32 will be flatting QQ+ than a passive guy. I'm worried about TT and the occasional 44,66. It's not enough to fold. I'll be honest here. I would have CB larger and would have shipped it OTF. On the surface it seems crazy, but from my perspective I'm raising more than TT OTF from CO's view. I'll have [JJ-TT,ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s] in range here and in a 3B pot I'm going to play those aggressively. To me his line seems consistent with this range based on flop raise and small turn bet, but who knows? Maybe he's nutted and just toying with you? Best advice is to act on your first instinct. BTW why is there never any hero stats posted with HHs?
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06-20-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
As opposed to standard 9bb cold call OOP with TT while not closing the action?
I'm not sure. Being in BB's spot here is probably one of my worst preflop spots, but I would think it's more likely that a villain would cold call with TT than 66/44. I guess a cold calling range for a potentially multiway pot could be more weighted towards pairs (esp at this level), but I feel like there are a lot of broadway and suited hands that villain would include if he's calling as wide as 44.
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06-20-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
As opposed to standard 9bb cold call OOP with TT while not closing the action?
I dunno. This is one of those pop reads where we're all half-guessing. I see people freeze with hands like TT/JJ that they aren't happy 4-betting but feel too strong to fold. More people will fold 66 than TT.

Villain's stats are pretty annoying because with only 30 hands he can go either way on the scale. I'd hope to have seen him do something indicative of being a fish or just a reggish type who's had a lot of flatting hands but can't say for sure otherwise.
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