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QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot

03-27-2010 , 03:24 PM
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$110+$5

Stacks:
SB Funkyhair1 (1,720)
BB Hero (1,280)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Q 10
Funkyhair1 calls 10, Hero checks

Flop: 10 5 2 (40, 2 players)
Hero checks, Funkyhair1 bets 60, Hero raises to 200, Funkyhair1 calls 140

Turn: A (440, 2 players)



Ok this guy is playing quite passive, donked a couple of times, he donked Q5o for example at 456rJx, river Tx check/check
I c/raised him once @ 87Tr w/ J9off, I barreled 4x turn where he folded.

I know my sizing at flop is a little bit to big but still is reasonable, I think he will call me with 5x, Tx, fd, oesd and maybe some limped in pp's. I could also lead here but this time I just decided to check since he will be b/c most of his betting hands which will flat the flop so I prefered to check/raise.

What is our plan here?

I made a bet fwiw, but maybe some may prefer checking etc.
I will give my opinion after a couple of replies.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 03:31 PM
Bet 280.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 03:35 PM
with plan I mean:

What if he does that, what if he does this etc.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 03:36 PM
The guy is quite passive, so you check/raise his overbet in a limped pot on a T52dd flop with QT? Meh.
Quote:
I could also lead here but this time I just decided to check since he will be b/c most of his betting hands which will flat the flop so I prefered to check/raise.
I'd lead this flop anyway! How is it that you can reason a fairly passive player will (first of all) even bet his 2x/5x/trashy Tx/straight draw/flush draw, let alone call a check/raise with most of that range?

As played, b/f the turn like 200.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 04:28 PM
why not raise pre?
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 04:33 PM
240/fold as played. Also defo lead flop vs a passive player.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 04:35 PM
bet/fold the turn.

if he just calls again, it's probably a c/decide on the river. you would know better than us if you think he's capable of valuebetting a worse ten (or bluffing) after you go c/r, bet, check.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JSpazz
240/fold as played. Also defo lead flop vs a passive player.
+1
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 04:55 PM
i have bad experiences with these type of hands in limped pots especially against passive players... i def wouldn't c/r here.
if he is passive i would lead flop. As played i bet 280 to make the draws pay while getting called from worse pairs as well and c/f all non Q/T rivers. If he raises turn i fold

On a sidenote when you decide to c/r in this spot you should already have a plan for the turn before doing it
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 05:05 PM
I had a plan, didnt know wether my plan was good or not.
QTo vs quite(bit decent) passive guy 115s, limped check/raised pot, turn spot Quote
03-27-2010 , 05:38 PM
Given the game flow, it seems like as long as you have been active, since you are up against a thinking player, it's fine. yes he's passive but he may be the type who likes to bet at small unraised pots. Not to mention that your RR certainly has value - Tx, 5x. The board isn't so drawy that you are worried about building a bit pot OOP if he just calls.

The turn is still a good bet - 250 or so. You know, if you have been agg., then you can still squeak out value out from a thinking passive player because he knows this is a perfect bluff card. If he flats, you can check river. If he shoves, i think i have to fold given your reads.

I really don't know what to make of this overbet 60 into 40, but in this spot, i don't think of it too much and RR.
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