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02-16-2011 , 02:41 PM
villain 3bets 24% of the time and never folded to a 4bet .

Should I have cbet the flop and got all the money in.
Delayed cbetting was a bit pointless because all the money went in anyway.
Is there any way I should be folding anytime throughout the hand?


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Hero (SB) ($44.45)
BB ($51.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises $3, Hero raises $7.50, BB calls $5

Flop: ($17) 8, A, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($17) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB raises $15, Hero calls $7.50

River: ($47) 10 (2 players)
BB bets $28 (All-In), Hero calls $20.95 (All-In)

Total pot: $88.90
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02-16-2011 , 02:48 PM
I'd probably just c-bet the flop. As played I can't really see folding.
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02-16-2011 , 03:17 PM
I c-bet flop. Folding river is actually pretty solid, though I'm not sure I do it much. I mean is villain capable of value cutting himself here? We would expect him to bet out most of his draws on the flop so the click back on the turn is pretty scary, but I call in case he gives up on the river, which we expect him to do with most of his draws. I think you run into a ton of Ax two pair hands and sets and the occasional JQ (but I doubt it).
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02-16-2011 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kylebranham
I'd probably just c-bet the flop. As played I can't really see folding.
+1
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02-16-2011 , 10:47 PM
[QUOTE=ClimbingV13;24853908]I c-bet flop. Folding river is actually pretty solid, though I'm not sure I do it much. I mean is villain capable of value cutting himself here? We would expect him to bet out most of his draws on the flop so the click back on the turn is pretty scary, but I call in case he gives up on the river, which we expect him to do with most of his draws. I think you run into a ton of Ax two pair hands and sets and the occasional JQ (but I doubt it).[/QUOTE]

i fold river...i dont see him min raising turn and shoving river with anything that u are ahead of...i can even see folding to the turn min raise
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02-16-2011 , 11:43 PM
I do not like the sizing of your turn bet. Had you bet 11 or 12 into 17, then it would be easier to play the hand.

I too think that a flop cbet would have been good, again because it makes the hand easier to play.

As played, fold on river.
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02-17-2011 , 07:06 AM
i think the real question here is- why did u check back the flop?
if you think he has an Ace on the flop- he will still have it on the turn and river so there is no point of calling and beting into him with QQ.
if you think he will bluff the turn with less then ace- check back is probably good- but you get more info with c-bet then with c/c the turn and river- and his range full of Aces as well.
that been said. your bet sizing is, bad.
you need to bet 10$=> and fold to a raise. unless you have solid read that he would raise you with air.
i think you got into a tough river spot as a result of bad play all the way.
i guess he could be air there 1 time over 3. so its not a hurrible call, but bad play all the way for sure
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02-17-2011 , 01:48 PM
I think you played it well, now call. I think there is also a ton of merit to checking back the turn.
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02-18-2011 , 03:48 PM
Two say fold river, two say call river, and one says it is close.

I said to fold the river, and I still think this is a fold.

Sure it is a call if opponent has a busted heart draw, but in order for that to be the case opponent would have had to (1) not lead the turn as a semibluff after you checked behind on the flop, and (2) min-CheckRaised is FD on the turn. I doubt that he would do that (if he did, it does not seem like very good play to me). The only other reason I can think of for calling is if opponent is bluffing with a very weak hand... a weak hand with which he decided to min-CheckRaise the turn... again I do not think he would do that.
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02-18-2011 , 03:54 PM
looking at it again, i like what Kardnel said...check back the turn, and then call a river bet, or bet if he checks the river to u...but as played i say its definitely a fold
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02-18-2011 , 04:05 PM
I expect him to have aces up or a set here over 85% of the time, I don't think many people c/mr turn as a semibluff in fourbet pots, I assume he would just lead turn after flop is checked back with most of his good draws
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02-18-2011 , 04:24 PM
If I'm betting the turn I'm folding to any raise...

And I'm not really expecting to vbet two streets anyway, so I don't really see much reason to bet the turn.
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02-19-2011 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chinz
If I'm betting the turn I'm folding to any raise...

And I'm not really expecting to vbet two streets anyway, so I don't really see much reason to bet the turn.
this.. betting turn is pretty pointless and put u in a **** spot, the hand is easy once u check back turn.
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