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QQ vs River shove 4NL QQ vs River shove 4NL

10-01-2013 , 08:17 PM
This player and I had been playing back at each other on this evening so there was an element of wanting to beat the other - we weren't on auto pilot for this.

Villain is 29/24 with 60% fold to 3bet over 218 hands.

My sizing is pretty atrocious I know - It's something I've not yet begin to iron out.

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $4.80
Hero (SB): $8.64
BB: $4.03
UTG: $2.13

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q Q

fold, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.36, fold, BTN calls $0.24

Flop: ($0.76, 2 players) 9 4 5
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.96, 2 players) 2
Hero bets $1.48, BTN calls $1.48

River: ($4.92, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.36 and is all-in

Hero?

This player and I did talk about the hand later.
I'll reveal the results after some discussion.
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10-01-2013 , 08:22 PM
3bets bigger preflop ur OOP flop and turn is fine i dont know about river
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10-01-2013 , 08:32 PM
if you wanted to outplay him check/shove turn and let him put you on a draw, as played I'd fold
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10-02-2013 , 02:15 AM
c/f river
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10-02-2013 , 03:29 AM
Try to put apart emotions, like wanting beat an specific opponent, when you play because it will make you take wrong decisions because of be playing with the heart instead of doing it with the head. It's like tilt, try to put it apart.

The only way to know the villain's holding is see it, I wouldn't believe his words on the chat. Actually I always have the chat turned off, is -EV I think.

Regarding the hand, you can't fold river because of the effective stack, I like c/c in order to let the villain bluff us.

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Originally Posted by CalmDown
c/f river
Could you explain why, please? I am sure there's a though behind of this sentence and could be fine know it
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10-02-2013 , 03:31 AM
we lose to Ax and flushdraws, which is about 99% of his floating range
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10-02-2013 , 04:13 AM
3b bigger pre oop (3.5-4x)
c/f river
c/j turn with history seems cool to me
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10-02-2013 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kace84
Try to put apart emotions, like wanting beat an specific opponent, when you play because it will make you take wrong decisions because of be playing with the heart instead of doing it with the head. It's like tilt, try to put it apart.

The only way to know the villain's holding is see it, I wouldn't believe his words on the chat. Actually I always have the chat turned off, is -EV I think.

Regarding the hand, you can't fold river because of the effective stack, I like c/c in order to let the villain bluff us.



Could you explain why, please? I am sure there's a though behind of this sentence and could be fine know it
He's not bluffing a lot with a 60% bet otr. all draws got there and he's not valuebetting worse. He would probably c/b 99+ and so he has to be bluffing like 30% of the time with pure air and given his actions pf, otf, ott that's pretty unlikely
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10-02-2013 , 11:59 AM
I am probably C/F river. I would bet closer to the pot on the turn with two flush draws and straight draw. I would also 3bet a little more PF. If you do plan on calling the river, you should just bet. If checking you should fold, and they also know this so great opportunity to bluff, but still the flush hit and any A wins and even if played a 67 type hand.
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10-02-2013 , 01:04 PM
looks like a pro xf imo

he prob double floats Ax like a fish a ton and flush draws get there/ he should xb TT etc because they shouldnt have a huge reason to bluff, even if he bluffs those he's probaly quite balanced with other stuff so yea, xf is nice
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10-02-2013 , 07:46 PM
Appreciate all the feedback.

I did end up painfully folding

We later discussed the hand and of course he could be lying, but I personally believe he was being sincere. He had 66.
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10-02-2013 , 08:37 PM
wtf?b/b/j here
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10-03-2013 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by noobis
wtf?b/b/j here
what worse will he call with? 99-JJ? probably like 20% of the time he'll call with those
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10-03-2013 , 03:53 AM
yea bet/bet/jam is bad
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10-03-2013 , 04:03 AM
Def not b/b/j on this runout. Make pre bigger as a standard and make post smaller as a standard. C/f river as played is good.
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10-03-2013 , 07:05 AM
Easy fold river. Only beating him if he is an ultra aggressive player, who call very light. Check raise turn could work if he is aggressive. There aren't any draws that have missed so it is very hard to see a bluff turning up in this spot. I think your bet sizing is just about right.
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10-03-2013 , 07:08 AM
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probably like 20% of the time he'll call with those
Probably never. Every Ax in our 3-betting range got there.
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10-03-2013 , 12:46 PM
I think about that hand and...b/b/j is the best i like it!
Also 99 beat as hard!
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10-03-2013 , 01:42 PM
Jamming the river is certainly too thin. Of course he can call with worse but so much gets there. 67/fd's/Ax


Not sure why folding would be painful after checking, x/c here is clearly really, really awful.
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10-03-2013 , 01:44 PM
he cant really call with worse
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10-03-2013 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by noobis
I think about that hand and...b/b/j is the best i like it!
Also 99 beat as hard!
Why? Please explain. Valuejam otr? Bluffjam? Jam bc everything else sucks?
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10-03-2013 , 04:49 PM
Dude we must b/b//shove with somethiing right?Well this is good hand to do that, he has 1/2 pot back and if he show as A4,well good game,he makes 3 mistakes and we one.
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10-04-2013 , 04:05 AM
but our mistake is for the biggest amount of money
jammign here is ******ed, you have so many flushes/straights you dont need to jam here w QQ because "Dude we must b/b//shove with somethiing right?"
we can win with QQ when he decides not to jam himself but instead checks back a pair
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10-04-2013 , 04:08 AM
+1 Jamming is ******ed. You have soooo many better hands to jam here that jamming QQ is a bluff, and a bad one. We have all Axdd, random Ax and flushes to jam here, which is enough.
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10-04-2013 , 05:19 AM
easy x/fold on the river
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