Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
QQ vs agressive donk QQ vs agressive donk

08-29-2016 , 12:10 PM
Is it ok to fold on river vs an agro who calls almost every raise pre and donk bet the flop most of the time?

- $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 35.25, PFR: 26.23, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 125)
UTG: 105.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 30)
MP: 40 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 13.97, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 138)
Hero (CO): 144.4 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.47, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 116)
SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players) 5 7 2
BB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (11.6 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 8.6 BB, Hero calls 8.6 BB

River: (28.8 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 28.8 BB, fold

Spoiler:
BB wins 27.4 BB
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 12:12 PM
Raise flop
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 12:54 PM
All your hand histories seem of a good standard to me, just keep doing what you're doing - you just keep getting the sickest turns and rivers.
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 01:31 PM
Raise flop for value vs this donk
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Am_a_Shwinner
Raise flop for value vs this donk
He's a donk - not a calling station. A raise on the flop would allow stacks to get in more easily but it may also induce a lot of folds.
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom frost
He's a donk - not a calling station. A raise on the flop would allow stacks to get in more easily but it may also induce a lot of folds.

Aggro Donks do not fold to flop raises on boards like this often. Raise flop, or at least raise turn.
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 02:10 PM
I'm having trouble getting a range for the BB in this hand, help please!
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-29-2016 , 09:21 PM
I think you played this hand perfectly fine. No need to raise flop. You're risking getting pushed off a very strong holding if you get 3-bet.
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-30-2016 , 01:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5trang3
I think you played this hand perfectly fine. No need to raise flop. You're risking getting pushed off a very strong holding if you get 3-bet.
So you're saying that if he 3bets he's going to often do so with a worse hand. So we should fold?
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-30-2016 , 04:42 AM
At first I thought raise flop, but now I am backing off of that a bit. You played it fine.
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-30-2016 , 08:13 AM
Standard raise if there was a FD, can go either way on this board
QQ vs agressive donk Quote
08-30-2016 , 09:50 AM
Donks like this will donk pot every street with air if you let them. Raising would be terrible here. You have the best hand 95% of the time, let him keep bluffing with close to zero equity.





    Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37423307

    MP: $33.42 (334.2 bb)
    BB: $10.22 (102.2 bb)
    SB: $13.62 (136.2 bb)
    Hero (CO): $14.28 (142.8 bb)
    BTN: $11.02 (110.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
    MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.70) 2 T 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.67, Hero calls $0.67

    Turn: ($2.04) 5 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.94, Hero calls $1.94

    River: ($5.92) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $5.63, Hero calls $5.63

    Spoiler:
    Results: $17.18 pot ($0.85 rake)
    Final Board: 2 T 7 5 6
    SB showed 8 5 and lost (-$8.54 net)
    Hero showed Q Q and won $16.33 ($7.79 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    QQ vs agressive donk Quote
    08-30-2016 , 10:44 AM
    If he "calls almost every raise pre", then you should get more money in pre, as it gives you better odds in later streets.
    QQ vs agressive donk Quote
    09-02-2016 , 02:42 PM
    I would definetly call even if he had an Ace and that's his possible best hand here Ax suited mb. I still believe that he can bluff you alot. Those type of donks are really crazy OOP donking every street like a newb. This is one of these bluff spots i think.
    QQ vs agressive donk Quote
    09-02-2016 , 02:53 PM
    Pre: Standard. You might wanna go bigger 3.5 bb

    Flop: I definily raise flop here, big time. Need to raise flop imo our hand is just too strong to just call.

    Turn: I keep betting, making it close to pot and calling a shove. AP keep calling.

    River: FOLD

    GL

    Last edited by ARCANGEL0; 09-02-2016 at 02:58 PM. Reason: i fkd up 2 hands in 1 thread confussed me
    QQ vs agressive donk Quote
    09-02-2016 , 03:08 PM
    If we can make the assumption villain is going to barrel off with ATC, and only call his pairs and OESD to a raise, then calling is higher EV. If we suspect he's going to call a raise with pairs, draws, backdoor draws, A-high with backdoors, and over cards in true aggro fish fashion then I'd bet raising flop is higher EV


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    QQ vs agressive donk Quote

          
    m