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02-17-2011 , 04:59 AM

emccards

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villains stats are 9/8/67/ over 73 hands

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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CO: $1042.75
BTN: $400.00
SB: $412.00
BB: $353.20
UTG: $164.80
UTG+1: $1169.00
Hero (MP1): $509.50
MP2: $285.40

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is MP1 with Q

UTG raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, MP2 calls $10, 1 fold, BTN raises to $44, 3 folds, Hero calls $34, 1 fold

Flop: ($114.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $84

..what is the best line..what did I do wrong if anything

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02-17-2011 , 05:12 AM

Baneling

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if you have problems on this flop just fold pre.

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02-17-2011 , 05:37 AM

Buff Disciple

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C/c ez game

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02-17-2011 , 05:58 AM

GSWarriors

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lol fullring

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02-17-2011 , 09:19 AM

Imaginary F(r)iend

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9/8...

First 3-bet? I fold pre.

As played, c/c flop, c/r turn.

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02-17-2011 , 09:31 AM

BuddhaMonk187

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yah flop seems like an easy c/c, see a turn.

why would you ever c/r the turn?

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02-17-2011 , 09:42 AM

nikinblinds

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

9/8...

First 3-bet? I fold pre.

As played, c/c flop, c/r turn.

was just about to +1 then i saw this bit. no!!!!!

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02-17-2011 , 10:49 AM

ITSOVER9000

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Originally Posted by GSWarriors

lol fullring

haha this you can almost fold the flop

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02-17-2011 , 10:58 AM

CopTHIS

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Call PF, call flop, end up losing somehow, curse nits. Standard FR experience.

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02-17-2011 , 11:03 AM

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girah

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Fold pre. As played c/c flop and c/f any turn that's not a spade or a Q.

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02-17-2011 , 11:42 AM

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smittymatt

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Um guys this is the medium stakes plnl forum not 6max shorthanded forum. Full ring is a very legitimate game. Move in on the flop he migjt fold Ak or AA w/o a spade and you are only worried about these two hands with the As or KK which you still have 25% equity verse.

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02-17-2011 , 11:46 AM

#12

CopTHIS

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Why don't you think you can call the extra 34 PF? There's already 80 in there, with another 356 in effective stacks. No way I'm folding PF.

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02-17-2011 , 01:01 PM

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ijustlaughnow

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Originally Posted by girah

Fold pre. As played c/c flop and c/f any turn that's not a spade or a Q.

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02-17-2011 , 10:01 PM

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Imaginary F(r)iend

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Originally Posted by CopTHIS

Why don't you think you can call the extra 34 PF? There's already 80 in there, with another 356 in effective stacks. No way I'm folding PF.

Since you don't have set odds.

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02-17-2011 , 10:42 PM

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Imrahil

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fold flop there is nothing you beat

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02-18-2011 , 12:17 AM

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ScoobyDooo

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Originally Posted by smittymatt

Move in on the flop he migjt fold Ak or AA w/o a spade and you are only worried about these two hands with the As or KK which you still have 25% equity verse.

people bet/fold these hands in real life?

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02-18-2011 , 02:10 AM

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663366

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I cant tell how many of these replies are levels.. so I'll say c/c flop.

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02-18-2011 , 02:51 AM

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Penguinz21

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Why are we flatting a 160 stack open with QQ? Is he a nit too?

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02-18-2011 , 05:20 AM

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CopTHIS

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

Since you don't have set odds.

Firstly, you prob do have set odds. Secondly, there is some value in the pot even when you don't hit a set. We only have 70-odd hands on the guy, so even if you want to discount JJ/AK etc considerably against AA/KK they are a real possibility and bad nitty FR players let you win in these cases more easily than you may imgaine yet still never get away from the hand if they do have AA/KK.

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02-18-2011 , 10:13 AM

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urmy

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Originally Posted by smittymatt

There is a fr section for mid and highstakes so gtfo.

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02-18-2011 , 04:20 PM

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PokerPrince

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3-bag the non-full stack utg opener for starters. As played....ummm....punch yourself in the face for playing FR.

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02-18-2011 , 04:32 PM

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Imaginary F(r)iend

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Originally Posted by CopTHIS

1. You don't have set odds.
2. Who said that he's bad?

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02-19-2011 , 06:30 AM

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CopTHIS

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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend

1. You don't have set odds.
2. Who said that he's bad?

Well I disagree - you do have set odds.

As for villian, if he really is 9/8 then how good do you think he is? I play FR a fair bit and have yet to see a player with those stats who is decent. And if the 9/8 stat is misleading on that sample then that adds to the value you may get without hitting a set.