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04-25-2012 , 10:03 AM
Anyone getting away here?
He is 37/21 calling any two vs 3bets 20% fold to cb 20% raise cb.



he is Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($10.42)
Hero ($10.55)
UTG ($4.03)
CO ($31.83)
BTN ($12.68)

UTG posts $0.05

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.40, fold, Hero raises to $1.60, BTN calls $1.20

FLOP ($3.30) 2 7 7

[color=red]Hero bets $1.90, BTN raises to $3.80 Hero is sad but shoves?
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04-25-2012 , 10:06 AM
not folding in a 3bpot.
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04-25-2012 , 10:11 AM
Same spot as the AA thread. Still not folding.
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04-25-2012 , 10:14 AM
k cool. I pretty much fistpump shipped this in the heat, but since i run horrible i wasnt sure after anymore so i decided to post this
Thanks guys!
I m down running 20stacks below ev this week (20kish hands so far).. And thats not counting these hands where people call 3bets with 72o and flop the nuts. I hope i get my EV back soon!1
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04-25-2012 , 10:17 AM
It will turn around as long as you play solid
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04-25-2012 , 10:21 AM
ofc he had 7x... 72 only adds insult to injury esp when you're running bad. It's standard spot and you played it fine. Those luckboxes' suckouts get aggravating after a while but just keep up solid play and variance will balance itself out.
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04-25-2012 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rebuild
fistpump shipped
Dont just trudge on regardless try.

(1) some fr to lower varience

(2) play a few mtt's

(3) drop to 1nl and splash about for a bit to get some confidence back.
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04-25-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by caerus
(3) drop to 1nl and splash about for a bit to get some confidence back.
Get outside, do sports, meet friends, get a girl - whatever fine. But don't ever connect "splashing around" with poker. This is disciplinal suicide covered by a bad excuse.
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04-25-2012 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by narnae
Get outside, do sports, meet friends, get a girl - whatever fine. But don't ever connect "splashing around" with poker. This is disciplinal suicide covered by a bad excuse.
Playing 100% vpip at 1nl is a very good exercise. Regardless of that splashing around refers to the lvl, being in a small pond with fish. Not to any playing style.
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04-25-2012 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by caerus
Playing 100% vpip at 1nl is a very good exercise. Regardless of that splashing around refers to the lvl, being in a small pond with fish. Not to any playing style.
If "splashing around" refers to playing 100 VPIP, I guess that's a change in playing style.

And if you lack confidence and feel intimidated by variance, playing ****ty (that's what 100 VPIP is) isn't doing you any good. What do you want to achieve doing so anyway? Improve your handreading? As 100 VPIP idiot at NL1? Srsly? There isn't anything to read. If you're the rational type: study. If you're the emotional type: find balance. Work on your mistakes, don't feed them on a lower stake and level yourself into feeling "too good for that level, but being picked on by variance".

Oh, and gaining confidence back by "winning a bit" is being results oriented. Disciplinal suicide. With a bad excuse.
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04-25-2012 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by narnae
If "splashing around" refers to playing 100 VPIP, I guess that's a change in playing style.
Try reading the post again thoroughly. Take a deep breath and intake what your reading.

As for only ever playing your standard game i wont go into that. Ofcource it's a good idea to drop lvls and try a myriad of different things.
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04-25-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by caerus
Try reading the post again thoroughly. Take a deep breath and intake what your reading.
I'm sorry for putting it that sharp. I felt it was a horrible advice, but maybe I missunderstood your post #9.

I think the reason WHY you drop down levels makes a big difference. If your goal is to win confidence back, you need not to change your standard play. You need confidence in the face of variance. Trying non-standard lines isn't helpful there.
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04-25-2012 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by narnae
I'm sorry for putting it that sharp. I felt it was a horrible advice, but maybe I missunderstood your post #9.

I think the reason WHY you drop down levels makes a big difference. If your goal is to win confidence back, you need not to change your standard play. You need confidence in the face of variance. Trying non-standard lines isn't helpful there.

My advise was to drop lvl's, splashing around referred to being a big fish in a small pond not to any playing style he might adapt.


As for the 100%vpip its a great exercise theres many different styles you can set your self to play simply to get your self into positions your not either comfortable with or used to. This is why you do it at a lvl that isnt going to destroy your br.


Also just being a total fish and throwing a few buy ins about at 1nl from time to time releases stress especially if you get a suckout or 2
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04-25-2012 , 11:15 AM
Playing with the nits in FR is not bad advice for getting some confidence back, but dropping levels and playing like a fish is for what point?
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04-25-2012 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by caerus
My advise was to drop lvl's, splashing around referred to being a big fish in a small pond not to any playing style he might adapt.
I understood being a big fish as being a whale, not a shark. And combined with 100 VPIP it may have a bit more truth in it than thought.


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Originally Posted by caerus
As for the 100%vpip its a great exercise theres many different styles you can set your self to play simply to get your self into positions your not either comfortable with or used to. This is why you do it at a lvl that isnt going to destroy your br.
Usually these spots are moments you should have folded. Trying things is good, but being clear-headed is a must for me.


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Originally Posted by caerus
Also just being a total fish and throwing a few buy ins about at 1nl from time to time releases stress especially if you get a suckout or 2
That's what I meant with disciplinal suicide, getting results oriented and stuff. If you want to take a professional approach, you get your balance somewhere else and never even start to connect tilted moves with being "okay to do". We are creatures of habit. That's why it's called discipline.
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04-25-2012 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett
but dropping levels and playing like a fish is for what point?
I dont know any decent poker player that dosnt do it for some stress releaf from time to time. Either to try out some extreme styles or just to have some plain old fun and releave stress at the expence of a few fishies.

I think making a suggestion in the micros section about deviating away from standard poker was maybe a mistake.

If the guy just wants to drop and play tag style thats fine, i was just pointing out a tried and trusted method of stress releaf that thousands of players use.

Anyways conversations getting abit silly. Im sure op can use the information and ideas as he deems fit.
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