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10-12-2008 , 03:01 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $23.50
SB: $10.30
BB: $13.05
UTG: $48.05
Hero (MP): $36.90
CO: $48.20

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.90) 8 9 J (3 players)
UTG bets $2.15, Hero calls $2.15, CO calls $2.15

Turn: ($9.35) 6 (3 players)
UTG bets $6.75
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10-12-2008 , 03:52 AM
Gross spot. The 6 is a blank. Pretty weird line for UTG. It could be AJ or something only calling the flop to not get semibluffed, and now betting for value against draws. It still looks insanely strong though, like TPTK+. You likely have CO beat, but if you call he will come along with whatever draw he has and basicly half the deck will be a bad river. I fold because you can't call any more bets and it's unlikely that it will check trough on the river and that your hand is best aswell.
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10-12-2008 , 04:55 AM
3bet pf

as played call on flop is ok... A raise/fold wouldn't be too bad as he's almost never shoving over the top with worse

What is you read of him? For him to 2nd barrel the turn vs 2 opponents oop and on such a wet board, he needs to have AJ here (maybe KJ) minimum, but more likely something better if he's a Taggish.
i.e. 88-AA, AK/AQ/KQhh, TJ-AJ, QT.

Calling isn't too bad on the turn as you're still ahead of some hands in the range above (which will change based on your read).

That leaves you with 26 behind, and a pot of about $22.
Id probably call a reasonable bet on a safe river card if I knew he was willing to value bet thinly with AJ.... otherwise call turn, fold river.

But I may just fold turn if I knew he wasnt very aggro
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10-12-2008 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MCHpow_pow
3bet pf

as played call on flop is ok... A raise/fold wouldn't be too bad as he's almost never shoving over the top with worse

What is you read of him? For him to 2nd barrel the turn vs 2 opponents oop and on such a wet board, he needs to have AJ here (maybe KJ) minimum, but more likely something better if he's a Taggish.
i.e. 88-AA, AK/AQ/KQhh, TJ-AJ, QT.

Calling isn't too bad on the turn as you're still ahead of some hands in the range above (which will change based on your read).

That leaves you with 26 behind, and a pot of about $22.
Id probably call a reasonable bet on a safe river card if I knew he was willing to value bet thinly with AJ.... otherwise call turn, fold river.

But I may just fold turn if I knew he wasnt very aggro
Ah yeah I forgot to mention the preflop 3b. Don't trap preflop with premiums please.

Considering a calldown will be slightly +EV at best against UTGs range alone, also don't forget about the button being priced in with any draw, reducing our equity in the pot. The odds of dodging buttons draw on the river AND having UTG beat at the same time make the turncall alot more marginal than when you had a soulread that button was gonna fold the turn and you'd see the river HU.
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10-12-2008 , 05:24 AM
A 3-bet preflop would have really helped define villain's hand, but as played preflop, I'm sure all six of your outs are good, but this just seems pretty gross. I think you should have raised and gotten it in on the flop -- the flop is drawy and you have decent equity against any hands you beat. As played on the flop, I still think you should get it in on the blank turn and either hope for a call from A-X of hearts or a fold.
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10-12-2008 , 06:23 AM
3bet prf. it really helps to define the hand you're up against. a call on this flop is so gross with one person to act behind you, because it's so draw heavy. it's raise or fold, imo.
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10-12-2008 , 06:43 AM
need to 3bet pf. if you are going to play it that passively pf, need to raise the flop donk lead. as played call the turn and pot control
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