PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $40.82 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: $25.00 (VPIP: 27.38, PFR: 20.24, 3Bet Preflop: 12.82, Hands: 84)
BB: $12.25 (VPIP: 15.97, PFR: 13.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.76, Hands: 269)
UTG: $21.01 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: $57.42 (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
Hero (CO): $30.68

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.69, fold, SB raises to $2.25, fold, Hero raises to $4.75, SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($9.75, 2 players) 9 8 A
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.75, 2 players) T
SB bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($17.25, 2 players) A
SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75

are you even trying to put him on a range or just clicking buttons?

can't fold once you x/b flop

I prefer cbetting and x/b turn, deciding river

PLEASE HAVE JJ PLEASE

You are never good there

I think he would bet more with all the sets, backed flushes. He is only value betting AK, AJ, JJ, KK with this sizing.

But I don't see him bluffing with this sizing tho. We are getting such good odds that I can't really see folding. We only need to be right 21% of the times here. You think he is never bluffing here or betting JJ?

I think bluff raising river the best play, with the Qh blocker. He can't ever have a good hand when he takes this line. I think we can credibly rep a strong hand that he would have problem calling with all the hands that he value bet.

all that sounds pretty unreasonable.

Do you have a reason to think he flats 4bets with those hands?

Why do you think he can't have more Ax then, i.e., why is AJ the limit when that is a hand that is more likely to flat pre than for example AT-?

Why can't you fold if you don't think he can bluff?

What are you repping by bluffraising other than AA?

What do you think he fold when you bluffraise?

What do we block with Qh?

I imagine he would bet more with AT, because it always beat my line. It beats all other Ax that I may have.

Why can't he bluff? We can rep all the backdoors with Qh, JQ, QTh, QKh but the problem is that we don't have those hands in our 4 betting range.

He can fold all one pair type of hands that beats us.

I mean we are on the top of our check back range, and with this sizing we can't really fold. I see people do all kind of stupid **** in 4 bet pots.

why would he bet more with AT when your range is super weak?

you said yourself that you don't think he is bluffing.

we can't rep any of those hands because he will not put us on hands that are not in our perceived 4bet range

we beat all 1 pair hands. He will never fold trips.

if this is the top of our check back range, can you explain why do you bet A4s on the flop but check back QQ?

it's true that ppl do stupid stuff but in order for that to be the case he needs to have hands he can do stupid stuff with and at the same time do not beat ours. And even more importanly, why do you feel like you need to have some sort of balance here? Do you think he will start flatting your 4bets and exploiting your weak range when you check back A-high flop?

Looks like KK, JJ to me. Bet the flop and check turn, re-evaluate river.

How can this ever be JJ? Villain puts us on TT- cause we 4bet light before????? The worst hand here is QQ and this is probably <10% of the cases...

LOL ofc you can.

This should not be the top of your range OTR

Whats the top of our range then otr?

1) he is rarely bluffing especially with this size
2) he is rarely valuebetting worse
3) so fold
why cbet flop as opposed to check?

Dunno, AA?

Fold turn. he checks all we beat, and bets w all that beats us.

If he checked the turn again, i`d bet.

would you check back flop and call a turn lead with some hand?

Bet the flop like 40% pot and shut down altogether if called imo.

I'm pretty sure if he is flatting a 4-bet OOP here then 88-TT are all in his flatting range which he takes this line with post. We don't beat anything. I don't think he ever has KK here btw (mostly because of pre).

The bad thing about calling down is some of the hands that are also in his 4b calling range that fishy-loose players don't like to fold are hands like KQs/QJs. We block those. Those are the only hands (besides JJ which we don't even know if he would turn into a bluff, or the occasional KJs) that we beat. I'd say that most of the time this is a boat or AT-AQ. Think he 5b AK pre OOP.

Actually no, I don't think i like a cbet as nothing worse calls.
i guess the goal here is to go broke on any non A board and since it's out give up.