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QQ against a laggy player who is IP QQ against a laggy player who is IP

12-08-2013 , 06:21 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 108 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 64.5 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BB: 75.5 BB (VPIP: 72.00, PFR: 25.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 75)
UTG: 73.5 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG+1: 187 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
UTG+2: 41.5 BB (VPIP: 8.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 50)
MP: 114 BB (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 53)
MP+1: 49.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 2.86, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 36)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, BB calls 9 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, BTN raises to 50 BB, fold, Hero calls 20 BB

Flop: (110.5 BB, 2 players) J 4 3
Hero bets 50 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 50 BB

Turn: (210.5 BB, 2 players) 4

River: (210.5 BB, 2 players) 3
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I guess the Flop was a standard all-in right, with an SPR of <0.5 I couldn't have folded with an overpair?
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12-08-2013 , 06:50 AM
never fold flop!
as played i am inclined to 6bet AI him.. you do not want to see A,K on the board, which can be scared cards for him too, and you do not get paid...
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12-08-2013 , 07:50 AM
Wouldn't it have been better to fold his 5 bet?
Even if he seems a loose players they can sometimes hit a pair of Ks or As.
Could he really 5bet with anything less than AA or KK?
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12-08-2013 , 08:45 AM
It would be terrible to 4b/fold QQ here Ar_Iv. Its CO vs BTN. He is playing very loose over a small sample, and its 2nl. Calling the 5b is also terrible. Just 5b shove and be happy and not result oriented. The second best option would be to flat his 3b. 4b/folding is probably the worst a man can do here.
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12-08-2013 , 12:40 PM
@Thuen88: I would have folded his 3 bet directly.
But maybe the hero thought 4 betting will make the villain fold.
Maybe 4 bet shove would have been a better choice but for me whenever I shoved Qs I lost so depends on the Hero's experience.
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12-08-2013 , 12:53 PM
Never ever fold to his 3b with QQ in CO vs BTN. That is probably even worse. You are way to high on your value range here. Whenever you don`t think you can make more money by 3b/5b flat this hand. Its plays pretty well post flop even oop. Don`t be result oriented.

Anyway vs this guy and at this level i 3b/5b this hand all day.
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12-08-2013 , 01:18 PM
Grunch

Gii pre

As played gii otf
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12-10-2013 , 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vrbik
never fold flop!
as played i am inclined to 6bet AI him.. you do not want to see A,K on the board, which can be scared cards for him too, and you do not get paid...
+1

I'd rather see the 6bet AI, especially as you were willing to get it in anyway. Seeing the flop gives them room for improvement before getting it in. However, I'm not a big fan of shoving QQ preflop unless against huge fish (over a greater sample).
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12-10-2013 , 01:40 PM
Its much better to shove QQ/AK over a 4b then call a 5b shove after 3betting.
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12-11-2013 , 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tstanniland
+1

I'd rather see the 6bet AI, especially as you were willing to get it in anyway. Seeing the flop gives them room for improvement before getting it in. However, I'm not a big fan of shoving QQ preflop unless against huge fish (over a greater sample).
In those positions it's a leak to not gii w/ QQ imo
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12-11-2013 , 06:33 AM
Gii pre, flatting half your stack pre to c/f any Axx or Kxx is setting money on fire

As played never folding
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12-11-2013 , 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deeepz
In those positions it's a leak to not gii w/ QQ imo
I wouldn't call a 35/25 a fish over a 20 hand sample though.
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12-11-2013 , 10:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tstanniland
I wouldn't call a 35/25 a fish over a 20 hand sample though.
I said positions. Not stats
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