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07-31-2018 , 04:36 PM

coolshadow

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $4.74 (94.8 bb)
SB: $9.75 (195 bb)
BB: $5.67 (113.4 bb)
UTG: $5.36 (107.2 bb)
MP: $7.71 (154.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $5.14 (102.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.10, SB raises to $2.10, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.25) T

(2 players)
SB bets $3.05, Hero

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07-31-2018 , 04:42 PM

.isolated

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How are you confused after calling the 5b? Either fold to the 5b or be ecstatic to get all-in on this flop.

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07-31-2018 , 04:58 PM

Ojune

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lol I don't think we're ecstatic either way those min5bets are very often KK+.

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07-31-2018 , 05:06 PM

coolshadow

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Is there any difference between having given the AI pre or call flop?

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07-31-2018 , 05:25 PM

WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by coolshadow

Is there any difference between having given the AI pre or call flop?

Yeah you get free money from any bluffs he has, which may or may not be non-existent in this case.

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07-31-2018 , 08:29 PM

coolshadow

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

Yeah you get free money from any bluffs he has, which may or may not be non-existent in this case.

But would not my intention be to keep those bluffs on hand? AI pre kick out while flat 5bet holds.

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07-31-2018 , 10:58 PM

compton2014

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Originally Posted by coolshadow

Is there any difference between having given the AI pre or call flop?

I think the minor difference can be seen in that the V may not bluff AK here.

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08-01-2018 , 04:27 AM

RackTheStacks

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Any reason we want to 4bet someone who'd have to play OOP given that it's now heads up?

I prefer 4betting AK & KK's, 89s & calling most QQ and odd AA in this spot.

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08-01-2018 , 04:34 AM

juhiimi

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Originally Posted by RackTheStacks

Any reason we want to 4bet someone who'd have to play OOP given that it's now heads up?

I prefer 4betting AK & KK's, 89s & calling most QQ and odd AA in this spot.

How is 89s a good 4bet hand?

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08-01-2018 , 10:31 AM

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simplelessons

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Shove pre at 100bbs.

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08-01-2018 , 10:58 PM

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RackTheStacks

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Originally Posted by juhiimi

How is 89s a good 4bet hand?

It's not, it's the bluff. People mostly prefer the wheeled suited A's for removal... but I suck at playing that post-flop atm.

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08-01-2018 , 11:13 PM

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compton2014

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

Shove pre at 100bbs.

I have a problem with shoving this hand. I am pretty sure you are only getting called by hands that dominate Hero or are flipping. Why are you shoving?

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08-01-2018 , 11:31 PM

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simplelessons

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Originally Posted by compton2014

I have a problem with shoving this hand. I am pretty sure you are only getting called by hands that dominate Hero or are flipping. Why are you shoving?

Because you are wrong and dead money.

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08-02-2018 , 01:38 AM

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juhiimi

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Originally Posted by RackTheStacks

It's not, it's the bluff. People mostly prefer the wheeled suited A's for removal... but I suck at playing that post-flop atm.

Its always better to have blockers, when you bluff 4bet, and if you get called, you dont really have to fight for that pot, the important thing is that they fold pre.

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08-02-2018 , 01:58 AM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by juhiimi

Its always better to have blockers, when you bluff 4bet, and if you get called, you dont really have to fight for that pot, the important thing is that they fold pre.

I'll resist the urge to eviscerate this statement. You're extremely wrong.

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08-02-2018 , 03:14 AM

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juhiimi

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Originally Posted by .isolated

I'll resist the urge to eviscerate this statement. You're extremely wrong.

Please enlighten me(im not sarcastic).

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08-02-2018 , 09:21 AM

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pipimeowmeow

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fold pre........ easy fold......

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