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09-03-2015 , 07:31 PM
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2774892
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BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 8, AF: 3.4, Hands: 1343
SB: $12.86 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 2, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 86
BB: $10.00 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 5.0, Hands: 398
UTG: $9.48 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 8, 3B: 5, AF: 2.9, Hands: 151
Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
MP1: $10.35 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 8, AF: 2.5, Hands: 815
MP2: $10.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 1607
CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 15, 3B: 5, AF: 2.7, Hands: 2253

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, MP1 raises to $0.90, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 4 9 J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.22, Hero calls $1.22

Turn: ($4.39) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.50, Hero folds

My image is tight and being in UTG+1 I figured he bets 2 streets AA, KK, possibly AKs. I only called the 3b because if I 4b I iso myself only vs KK and AA.
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09-03-2015 , 07:56 PM
Why do you think you isolate yourself only vs KK+? I'm not sure he will call/5b your 4b with only KK+ when he has a 3b of 8.
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09-04-2015 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisforever
Why do you think you isolate yourself only vs KK+? I'm not sure he will call/5b your 4b with only KK+ when he has a 3b of 8.
I know his 3b is high but my image is v tight, usually if i 4b they fold or 5b shove with KK+. Lately all my KK hands that I 4b and the villains shoves, he doest it with only AA, I am talking about full stack villains.
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09-04-2015 , 07:46 AM
Im 4!ing this and getting it in vs a villain who has a 3! Of 8%. I doubt he's paying to much attention to how tight you're playing. You sound like you're being results orientated about your KK results people are stacking of with 100bb with more than just AA sounds like you just had a bit of variance

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09-04-2015 , 08:09 AM
he opens QQ in UTG+1 and gets 3bet. He's 100% correct to assume a 4b will most likely only isolate himself vs better.

Postflop is super meh though. I have no idea why we're folding turn.
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09-04-2015 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Not a Fish
Im 4!ing this and getting it in vs a villain who has a 3! Of 8%. I doubt he's paying to much attention to how tight you're playing. You sound like you're being results orientated about your KK results people are stacking of with 100bb with more than just AA sounds like you just had a bit of variance
Maybe they stack with more than AA, but against me regs stack KK+, cause i don't have a balanced 4b range.
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09-04-2015 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mzbourg
Postflop is super meh though. I have no idea why we're folding turn.
So call turn and call a blank river? The only hands we beat on turn are AJ or a fd( AKs, AJs)
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09-04-2015 , 09:27 AM
If he has AK clubs, he's going to fire this turn. And if he has AK, he may just fire it regardless. Call turn and reevaluate river.

His stats look a bit TAGish rather than nitty, so I'm not giving him credit for KK+ here. Now if he bombs river, it's a bit closer.
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09-04-2015 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Markulous
If he has AK clubs, he's going to fire this turn. And if he has AK, he may just fire it regardless. Call turn and reevaluate river.

His stats look a bit TAGish rather than nitty, so I'm not giving him credit for KK+ here. Now if he bombs river, it's a bit closer.
Yes, you are right, call turn is the better option.
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09-04-2015 , 11:21 AM
So that's why it takes two barrels when I c-bet with an ace these days.
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09-04-2015 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabadu
So that's why it takes two barrels when I c-bet with an ace these days.
This doesn't happen very often, minutes before this hand I lost a buy in also with QQ, I was a little tilted.
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09-04-2015 , 08:52 PM
no one thinks that a 4bet pre is ok? we can also rap AA/KK from utg+1. can his 3bet a weakness sign been here?
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09-05-2015 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pokkerreddu
no one thinks that a 4bet pre is ok? we can also rap AA/KK from utg+1. can his 3bet a weakness sign been here?
I think 4 betting pre is fine. This guy is 3!ing 8% of hands so it's not crazy to think he's going to continue with his TT+ AKo hands to a 4 bet.

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09-05-2015 , 08:58 AM
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no one thinks that a 4bet pre is ok? we can also rap AA/KK from utg+1. can his 3bet a weakness sign been here?
Why would you want to rep AA/KK? It serves no purpose. He would fold worse like JJ/TT which you are way ahead of and only call with AA/KK. This is exactly what you don't want.

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I think 4 betting pre is fine. This guy is 3!ing 8% of hands so it's not crazy to think he's going to continue with his TT+ AKo hands to a 4 bet.
I don't see how 3 bet percentage relates to how wide he calls 4 bets from a tight EP 4 bet. Villain's stats look aggressive but not fish bad and calling 4 bets from EP w TT or AKo is like really fish bad.
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09-05-2015 , 04:40 PM
Should we really assume that villains gives credit to our tight image at NL10? My experience is that villains are mor focused on playing their own game than adjusting to our tendencies.

If we choose to assume that villain in fact pays attention to our tendencies here, it would be interesting to know how much you fold to a 3b. Could villain be trying to exploit a high stat here? In that case, villain would have a much wider range.

In any case, dont agree that AJ and AcKc are the only hands that we beat here. Plenty of players fire two barrels with JJ or TT on a two tone board. AcQc is also a likely hand here.
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09-05-2015 , 07:37 PM
I agree with you post flop. Almost always calling down, but that's partially because we left JJ, TT, AK, AQs in his range by not 4betting pre.
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