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04-05-2011 , 03:03 PM
Villan is 20/16/5 over 56 hands, 3 bet 6.3% folded to 20% 3 bets (2) #

too small of a sample but I'll post anyway to give an idea

Button 21/16/2 Fold to 3 bet 86% (6) Over 89 hands
SB 26/6/2 Fold to 3 bet 100% (1) Over 40 hands

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($5)
Button ($5)
SB ($11.90)
Hero (BB) ($5.79)
UTG ($2.47)
MP ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with XX
2 folds, CO bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, Hero raises $0.85, CO calls $0.70, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.20) 4, 3, 6 (2 players)

Hero??

What sort of bet sizing are we going for if we c-bet?
C-betting this flop we are leaving ourselves open to a bluff raise?
A flat call from villan puts us in a sticky position on the turn if we are not betting here for value

Simple answer is do not 3 bet pre apart for value, other opinions on hand?
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04-05-2011 , 03:12 PM
XX better be a good hand since you're squeezing

if you don't have a pair on the flop, you should just c/f

if you have a pair, bet like $1.7 and shove turn. i guess you can bet more too, it shouldn't matter too much though.
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04-05-2011 , 03:13 PM
halfpot
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04-05-2011 , 03:33 PM
I'm not c-betting here unless I'm value-betting.
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04-05-2011 , 03:35 PM
$1-$1.40, anything in that region is fine

im betting this flop with my entire range most likely

i found your name funny, jus' sayin
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04-05-2011 , 03:41 PM
Considering villain does not fold to 3bets I only 3bet for value here.

I'm assuming you did this with air, so on the flop I b/f if I have a gutshot or better about 1.5. Otherwise I c/f.
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04-05-2011 , 03:49 PM
I'd bet around 1.35$ with most of my range. I expect a lot of folds, since your move looks very strong from the BB and you cannot expect him to call light on the flop given your squeeze.
And since his range is somewhat wide here given that he calls 3-bets kinda often (even though its a small sample) I think he will play hit or miss here often.
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04-05-2011 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GOONERCAM
$1-$1.40, anything in that region is fine

im betting this flop with my entire range most likely

i found your name funny, jus' sayin
Haha whats funny about it?

OT: I bet $1.25 and get called by villan and an 8o comes on the turn.

Whats our play now? I have KQo
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04-05-2011 , 03:56 PM
John In Real Life, just sounds funny to me lol

sorry didnt originally see stakes, id c/f the flop with our hand @ Nl5 and now c/f the turn

as you move up you can definitely be barrelling turn and river here
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04-05-2011 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by John IrL
Haha whats funny about it?

OT: I bet $1.25 and get called by villan and an 8o comes on the turn.

Whats our play now? I have KQo
Shove. I would shove for 2.9$ in 4.7$. Has to work ~38% if you have zero equity, which will like never be the case. And since he's never calling more than 65% of the time, it's +EV and therefore better than folding or hoping to check-check and spike a K/Q.
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04-05-2011 , 04:15 PM
1/2 pot
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04-05-2011 , 04:28 PM
I think having KQ here is pretty horrible tbh. almost always going to be playing oop and getting stacked by ak/aq more than we are stacking QJ/KJ imo.
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04-05-2011 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by abgtr
I think having KQ here is pretty horrible tbh. almost always going to be playing oop and getting stacked by ak/aq more than we are stacking QJ/KJ imo.
I think it's a great spot to steal lol, Probably wrong though. I think button will amost always 3 bet AK/AQ and same with SB.

I checked turn like a girl and he shipped it. He showed me 89s, what a legend, soul read
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04-05-2011 , 05:04 PM
I think the spot is fine, but the hand is bad. you get them to fold out a bunch of hands that we can value own postflop and he never folds better (some pps).
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04-05-2011 , 05:49 PM
I think we can rep AA-QQ easly because of the squeeze pre flop and if the villain does flat the flop he will probably be giving up on the turn to a second barrel.
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04-05-2011 , 06:49 PM
reppin at 5nl in a squeezed pot. Comeone, just check/fold flop.
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04-05-2011 , 06:52 PM
5nl = calling ranges are too wide and we don't have fold equity. Having two overs at best doesn't sound great to me when I've seen villains call it down with AK/AQ here. Just c/f? Folding or calling pre has got to be better than this.
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04-05-2011 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EduardSB
reppin at 5nl in a squeezed pot. Comeone, just check/fold flop.
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Originally Posted by Alexander Young
5nl = calling ranges are too wide and we don't have fold equity. Having two overs at best doesn't sound great to me when I've seen villains call it down with AK/AQ here. Just c/f? Folding or calling pre has got to be better than this.
This is true
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04-05-2011 , 09:49 PM
u better have something good since villain rarely folds to 3bets.

i'd cbet any thing from $1-$1.50 with our entire range unless u have more reads.
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04-06-2011 , 12:31 AM
i think squeezing pre with KQ is fine, c-betting is meh, if your c-betting it's to get a fold and without those reads is tough plus all turns are going to suck except for a K/Q, checking isn't terrible imo.

EDIT: C-betting is fine imo, he's calling wide, might be fit or fold, i just wouldn't go crazy and shove every turn though although i wouldn't be against it either.
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04-06-2011 , 02:18 AM
Wtf is XX, I've never had it. Does it win?

Just cbet the flop and fold if he raises. If you Pair X and X is a good kicker you can probably go with it on the turn. But beware villain could have a set of XX or if he has the XX straight.
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04-06-2011 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by John IrL

Hero??

What sort of bet sizing are we going for if we c-bet?
I'd bet around 90% of the pot and pray for a fold. You've repped a big hand, so go ahead and back it up and fire big C-Bet.

C-betting this flop we are leaving ourselves open to a bluff raise?
So what, at that point you're folding HU or multi-way to a raise unless you've got a monster drw / nuts or close to it.

A flat call from villan puts us in a sticky position on the turn if we are not betting here for value
No it doesn't, you just c/f and give it up. Any further on this board ott and it's spew. Caveat - I wouldn't mind shoving the turn when squeezing if the board was drier.
Simple answer is do not 3 bet pre apart for value, other opinions on hand?
I don't mind squeezing this if they both fold a lot to 3B and cbets, but when called, this flop hits a large part of their likely calling range. So you just b/f and move on.

Preferably, save your squeezing plays for when ur IP unless opponents are really weak tight.
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