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12-04-2007 , 10:57 AM

ahnuld

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Villan one is 20/16 but I dont have a lot of hands on him. Villan 2 my stats arent up but I have an old note that says he coldcalled a reraise with KJs OOP.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($1432.75)
Button ($2382.64)
SB ($222)
BB ($1000)
Hero ($2002)
MP ($1000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

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Hero raises to $35[/color], 1 fold, CO raises to $115, 2 folds, BB calls $105, Hero raises to $350, CO calls $1317.75 (All-In), BB folds.

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12-04-2007 , 10:58 AM

Requin

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pussy

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12-04-2007 , 11:07 AM

Vavavoom

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Is AK always that much of an Instacall Fist-Pump ?

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12-04-2007 , 11:11 AM

heresjohnny

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Looks fine.

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12-04-2007 , 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vavavoom

Is AK always that much of an Instacall Fist-Pump ?

yes

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12-04-2007 , 11:17 AM

ahnuld

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I need 36% equity for a call to be profitable. Against AK+ QQ+ I have 38% against AKs KK QQ its like 34% AA KK is 18%

Last edited by ahnuld; 12-04-2007 at 11:17 AM. Reason: fixed a number

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12-04-2007 , 11:24 AM

Unknown Soldier

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i really don't get the 4b if you aren't snapping this

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12-04-2007 , 11:27 AM

jj12

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I think the fold is good. vs AK,KK+ you have 36% equity however his small initial three bet, the fact that you are deepish and his push after the cold call and the 4-bet all smack of monster. I think his range is skewed towards KK+ and you should be folding.

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12-04-2007 , 11:30 AM

ahnuld

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

i really don't get the 4b if you aren't snapping this

my hand still figures to be best when its my turn to act again. I feel like most people will never push without AA KK here which has me crushed. The sb is pretty bad and might stack off with anything. Calling puts me in a weird position between a donk and a decent player. He didnt raise that big and 4 betting AK is pretty standard here. I still have room to fold.

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12-04-2007 , 11:33 AM

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Unknown Soldier

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ok so to isolate bb who is terrible, yeah? fair enough. I think this is fine then

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12-04-2007 , 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ahnuld

I need 36% equity for a call to be profitable. Against AK+ QQ+ I have 38% against AKs KK QQ its like 34% AA KK is 18%

Villain 2 is obviously a fish given your note, when you say that your stats haven't popped up does that mean he has just arrived at the table?
If main villain in the hand knows that the cold caller is a fish, then I really don't like the fold.
If fish has just arrived at the table so that villain is also unaware of his stats, I think it's close

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12-04-2007 , 11:37 AM

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IMO main Villain shoves AK here 100% of the time, and he is quite likely to flat with AA or KK to trap the fish

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12-04-2007 , 11:38 AM

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ahnuld

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pra I was just thinking that but hes not a reg or anything. If he was id agree with you but considering I dont have many hands its tough to say if he is good enough for that

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12-04-2007 , 11:51 AM

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FionnMac

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Who are the villains? Pm if you want.

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12-04-2007 , 02:21 PM

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Requin

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Given your read on the donk's CC range I don't see folding this, you can't take the risk that CO might be aware of that and playing him and you accordingly.

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12-04-2007 , 02:26 PM

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callllllllllll

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12-04-2007 , 02:34 PM

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OnceUpon

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easy call

If it's questionable to the least extent then you must play wayyyyyy too tight.

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12-04-2007 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnceUpon

easy call

If it's questionable to the least extent then you must play wayyyyyy too tight.

I'll bet you're a 4betting machine deep at 5/10 eh?

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12-04-2007 , 02:39 PM

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Ship Ship McGipp

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i folded KK preflop at 5-10 for 75 bbs two days ago, true story.

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12-04-2007 , 03:38 PM

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ahnuld

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Originally Posted by Ship Ship McGipp

i folded KK preflop at 5-10 for 75 bbs two days ago, true story.

liesssssssss

cole, what range do you think someone like that can 5 bet push? Are you asuming like praetor that hed be more likely to coldcall AA rather than shove so then I stack up well vs his shoving range of QQ KK AK?

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12-04-2007 , 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Praetor

IMO main Villain shoves AK here 100% of the time, and he is quite likely to flat with AA or KK to trap the fish

I agree with this but it operates under the assumption that:

a) the main villain knows that the other villain is a fish, and
b) that the OP's original read on the other villain being a fish is accurate.

Having said that I still don't know what I'd do in a spot like this, it's definitely close imo.

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12-04-2007 , 03:43 PM

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i think this is fine

although some people are monkeys and put both of you on AK and shove their 99

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12-04-2007 , 03:51 PM

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I think with those stats, a five bet shove all looks like QQ+ so you're really just flipping at best. Unless you have a better idea of the range that he's shoving with I think you have to give him credit for a big hand here. Obviously, if you see that his range includes AQ and worse, then this might be a different thought process.

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12-04-2007 , 05:30 PM

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A__theKevlar__2

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i think i probably fold, AK blows

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12-04-2007 , 05:49 PM

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b33nz

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I feel like most people will never push without AA KK here which has me crushed.

ok, u just answered ur question then.

im not familiar with the party dynamics and all, but u really have no reason to believe that a decent player is 5 betting 130+ BBs without KK+.

look at it from his perspective: "ok i just got 4 bet from a UTG raiser after the SB cold called. we are deeper than normal and i have AK/QQ, i think i can find a better spot. fold." that should be the thinking of a decent player i would imagine.

however, this would be a great spot to 4 bet J9s or something.

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