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12-20-2016 , 08:48 PM

Listen and Learn

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CO 38/26 3b 21.1% 47 hands.
1. Should i even light 3b this kind of villain?
2. Post?

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37550400

Hero (BTN): $16 (100 bb)
SB: $22.15 (138.4 bb)
BB: $33.64 (210.3 bb)
UTG: $31.79 (198.7 bb)
MP: $34.45 (215.3 bb)
CO: $95.92 (599.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

2 folds, CO raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.44, 2 folds, CO calls $0.96

Flop: ($3.12) 9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.12) 4

(2 players)
CO bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

River: ($6.32) 7

(2 players)
CO bets $5.28, Hero folds

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12-21-2016 , 03:17 AM

lovelessRAGE

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1. In position yeah, sure. You can put a lot of pressure to his wide weak range.
2. Absolutely well played. I mean you also should have KT/KJ and some Kxs in your checking back range along with 97s,87s. And some of his turn bluffs was turned into a made hand otr.

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12-21-2016 , 06:20 AM

Haizemberg93

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Its not the worst hand to bluff raise you block 98s KJ TJ and 99

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12-21-2016 , 06:32 AM

btthywrsooted

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What are his F3B, FCB stats?

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12-21-2016 , 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

What are his F3B, FCB stats?

fwiw f3b 0(1) fcb 40 (5) single raised pots.

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12-21-2016 , 09:19 AM

GoDayum

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OTF: I would consider cbetting this flop, you have a lot of good turn cards if you're behind (backdoors and J/9s) + the jack is a good blocker and you should have more kings than him in your range.

OTT: I think it's raise or fold, leaning more towards folding. or be prepared to call the river if you have a read on him and think he is overbluffing in these spots.

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12-21-2016 , 10:06 AM

Alci

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If putting pressure on him is the goal, flat PF and make him play his wide range OOP.

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12-21-2016 , 10:14 AM

btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by Listen and Learn

fwiw f3b 0(1) fcb 40 (5) single raised pots.

Why would we 3bet light vs this guy? Just call and let him make mistakes post

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12-21-2016 , 10:38 AM

blutaky

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I think whilst we can tell from his VPIP/PFR 38/26 over 47 hands he probably is opening wider than the typical player we really can't get anything out of his F3B, FCB stats which is simply way too small of a small size.

Not an expert in bluff 3 betting by any stretch but perhaps you should be using Axss hands instead to 3b bluff?

I think whether or not you should 3b depends on how good you are postflop and whether you can hand read well, pick off bluffs and make the occasional hero call postflop. If you have a definite skill edge postflop then go for it but if not just widen your 3b range linearly and play postflop IP with a stronger range than Villain.

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12-21-2016 , 11:03 AM

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btthywrsooted

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I requested those stats because that might be a reason to 3bet him light (he folds too much to 3b or cbets). Since we dont get anything like that from the stats my thoughts are as in the last post.

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Originally Posted by blutaky

If you have a definite skill edge postflop then go for it but if not just widen your 3b range linearly and play postflop IP with a stronger range than Villain.

You should be more inclined to call rather than raise if you think you have a "definite skill edge postflop" as you say.

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12-21-2016 , 11:09 AM

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Bladesman87

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One reason for 3-betting this combo is because you're flatting more of the hands that you'd usually raise.

The reason for 3-betting this guy in general is because he's either forced to fold too much or defend a lot of a weak range. Although on 47 hands I'd be more looking towards any showdowns I've seen him have, as occasionally I have these stats early on and showdowns can let you know if he's playing total trash or not more accurately than his stats sometimes.

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12-21-2016 , 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

What hands are we flatting here that we would normally raise?

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12-21-2016 , 01:04 PM

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Bladesman87

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Hands like QJs/JTs that I'd 3-bet quite a lot of the time.

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12-22-2016 , 01:50 AM

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lovelessRAGE

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Originally Posted by Alci

If putting pressure on him is the goal, flat PF and make him play his wide range OOP.

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

Why would we 3bet light vs this guy? Just call and let him make mistakes post

1. To isolate him

2. Gain some fold equity preflop

3. Take the initiative

4. Not to get squeezed

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12-22-2016 , 05:10 PM

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ARCANGEL0

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i cbet flop, with that beautiful 8 and that beautiful heart

GLGL

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12-22-2016 , 05:46 PM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by lovelessRAGE

1. To isolate him

2. Gain some fold equity preflop

3. Take the initiative

4. Not to get squeezed

These are general reasons why we 3bet not specific for this spot.

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12-23-2016 , 03:53 AM

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lovelessRAGE

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

These are general reasons why we 3bet not specific for this spot.

But in this spot we up against a villain who seems to be over loose so we can 3-bet looser aswell.

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12-23-2016 , 04:04 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by lovelessRAGE

But in this spot we up against a villain who seems to be over loose so we can 3-bet looser aswell.

V loose passive, yes, V loose aggressive not so much...

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12-23-2016 , 04:07 AM

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lovelessRAGE

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

V loose passive, yes, V loose aggressive not so much...

IDK, I really like 3-bet in this spot, what can i say?

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