If there is a 3bet and a call, you can flat because your implied odds go up with the third player. Against a lone 3bet it is best to fold. I sometimes 4bet bluff vs 3bets but prefer hands with some blockers like AJ, KQ, Axs etc..

No - we could work it out if we had the time to do it. Do the combos on each hand in his range (say AK/QQ/KK/AA). Then %time AK hits TP and we hit a set we win 100bb + %time we hit a set vs QQ with no A/K on the board etc.

So yes, implied odds are where you could possibly win 100bb, but that isn't 12% of the time. I don't see how you aren't following. Also as a side i really couldn't give a **** how much you make on "your chosen site".

lol

w/e, i call pre.

Please continue to do so.

what about the times you get stacked by him hitting a higher set? then ur theory is already flawed.. also, when u hit ur set and he has an AK that misses, u won't stack him (most of the time).

situations are obviously lost on some people.

i think villain will continue to barrel. this is the only reason for my previous comments.

i always went on the assumption that he is huge and will want to get it in

i would fold pre in lots of other situations for the reasons others have mentioned above.

i'll say no more.

Why do you think a nit will barrel off his stack with AKs w/ A high though?

He would have to do that everytime for this to be close.

Calling is ok @ hand 2 vs a 3x 3bet. We need to recoup 6bb on average postflop and I think we will.

Our implied odds are obviously much better vs this villain than vs a random one. And when he has AK, he'll probably check/fold the turn if he misses.

My plan would be to call most flops that doesn't contain an A or a K and fold the turn unimproved.

sorry i don't remember saying that

i think he's got a big PP

anyway we won't agree with each other. i think if he's got a big pair most of the money's going in. and i do think he does have that as he's a 'nit' and has 3bet OOP

either way like i say i seem to run +EV by calling less than 10% of my stack against tight players when i'm set mining so i've either run good for the last 18 months or i'm just very lucky.

it has to be pointed out also that it wouldn't be a pure set mine if we were to also flop a draw.

calling pf in both hands, ainec imo

A lot of bad microlimits/low limit players, hell even higher will make these horrible calls pre with small pps.
I sometimes do too when i m super tilt. But at least i know its horrible and never +EV ever.

One thing I want to point out about calling with these middling PPs is that if you are playing against regs in a large # of hands and you have a 3betting dynamic with them in the blinds as you surely will at 10NL and above, then you really should have these hands in your range when IP so you can show up with sets every now and then. This makes it much easier to play in these kinds of dynamics because you can semi bluff much more effectively OTF and OTT when they know you can show up with a monster.

basically, these hands make you harder to play against and help out your image against regs so there is more to consider then just the strict implied odds of catching your set, and also the times you can win the hand unimproved with a turn bet or whatever if villain shuts down

lol

I m happy that some people still have these awful concepts that just make no sense.
No offense. But these calls are just burning money in the long run.

But if those hands are in ur range villain can still stack off without worrying about it BECAUSE it isn't profitable for them to be in ur range. U follow?