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07-25-2019 , 02:57 PM

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WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

It's not hard to play with a range chart and randomize based on the chart. I have it mostly memorized just from using it. I play on ignition zone where you only get 16 seconds and I have no issue implementing a mixed strat pre where I look up the frequency, randomize, and act accordingly. If you play in a game where you get 30 seconds to act there is really no excuse for not mixing.

Same, but I do it based on what I posted above, as I'd never waste my time looking at charts.

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07-25-2019 , 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

How is it hard to hit a button on a RNG and apply it's results? I think you took that quote out context. Postflop it would be nearly impossible to memorize complicated mixed frequencies in situations that are relatively rare, but preflop it's pretty easy to do.

FWIW, you can estimate mixed frequencies postflop based on experience and intuition, and as long as your estimated frequency is within about 15% or so of the solvers estimates you will never be making a big mistake while still making yourself much harder to play against.

they mean it's impossible to create a coherent strategy postflop when your range going in is all over the place

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07-25-2019 , 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bailashtoreth

Imagine how quickly you'd act if each hand was just either/or raise/fold (and how much easier it would be to memorize).

Imagine how simplistic playing that way actually is, and how it would get you absolutely destroyed by the best players and bots who actually try to approximate GTO within some realistic margin of error.

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07-25-2019 , 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

What do you mean by polarised 3betting anyway? 3betting Q9o and J8o and the like or 3betting A5s, A4s but not A9s?

not as polar as you might know from some IP 3 bets where you 3 bet the hands too weak to call but most hands that are in the calling range get 3 bet to some frequency. the most hands are call and 3 bet , but just with very different frequency.

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07-25-2019 , 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuko

i agree here.

you can use a RNG or just use suits

i.e. u can 3 bet a lot of suited combos BB vs btn with a 25% frequncy by using just once suit for one session.

I would likely do this in a live game. On Ignition especially, there is a lot of botting and collusion going on. The best way to beat that is with truly random actions (if you choose to still play knowing that).

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07-25-2019 , 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

What do you mean by polarised 3betting anyway? 3betting Q9o and J8o and the like or 3betting A5s, A4s but not A9s?

He means the second with lower suited gappers also included to go along with your suited broadways and big pairs that should also be 3bet. "Polar" relative to a sb's 3betting range not relative to an aggrofish's 3betting range lol

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07-25-2019 , 03:10 PM

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i do play on stars

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07-25-2019 , 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

they mean it's impossible to create a coherent strategy postflop when your range going in is all over the place

It's not "all over the place". It's tightly defined, and I'd be perfectly happy giving my opponent my exact ranges before the hand knowing that it's essentially impossible to exploit me.

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07-25-2019 , 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

It's not "all over the place". It's tightly defined, and I'd be perfectly happy giving my opponent my exact ranges before the hand knowing that it's essentially impossible to exploit me.

it is rigorously defined and all over the place with a bunch of hands in various frequencies that need to be organised in balanced lines which is impossible for humans to do. Why do you think no one at high stakes is playing monker ranges?

why do people here argue me when I point out obvious standard stuff?

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07-25-2019 , 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

holy s***

finally someone here who knows how Linus plays BB vs BTN... teach us please

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07-25-2019 , 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuko

holy s***

finally someone here who knows how Linus plays BB vs BTN... teach us please

just open the HS Rail thread occasionally, maybe you will learn more than by staring at useless charts

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07-25-2019 , 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

Do you play zone or regular tables?

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07-25-2019 , 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

Do you play zone or regular tables?

Both/either. But I don't mix them.

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07-25-2019 , 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

Why do you think no one at high stakes is playing monker ranges?

FWIW, I developed/tweaked my ranges until getting to very close to Monker ranges myself not vice-versa.

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