Hi everyone.

I was really unsure about this hand both during it and even now lol.

For context, the 3 limpers in UTG, CO and BTN were all droolers and serial limpers with all 3 having similar stats of VPIP: 50 and PFR: 14

The SB is an average reg. Not a fish but not great either. VPIP: 35 and PFR 18. His 3B stat is 3%

He's obviously reasonably strong here but then again, he's isolating 3 fish so is still pretty wide.

I was unsure what to do both preflop and post flop. JJ is one of those tricky hands isn't it.

I'll start with preflop and then, I'll add post flop later:


PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 148.6 BB
UTG: 17.4 BB
MP: 135.2 BB
CO: 208.4 BB
BTN: 88.2 BB
SB: 132.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero ?




tyvm

The SB iso size seems massive but it's kind of logical with the 3 limpers + SB playing OOP postflop. There is a lot of dead money in there, I think reraise small to say 21BB : if you take it down it'd an excellent result and if they call you play a pot IP. If they 4bet you it becomes tricky, probably let it go.

Interesting spot. I think a standard raise size from sb here would be 7bb but 9 doesn't seem unreasonable.

Your stats on the limpers imply that they shouldn't have the top 14% of hands... So sb could indeed be raising pretty wide, but we don't know if he is. He is probably a lot tighter than his average open of 18%. AJ+, 99+, KQo, KJs+ ATs+? Maybe even tighter.

I also think the 3b is the best option for us and makes the hand easier and denies equity. 26bb. Fold to sb jam.

This. I might go a touch smaller. It's obvious you're interested in the hand and SB won't come over the top without a range that crushes you.

Even if the PFR is playing pretty tight with, say, AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, QJs, and AKo-KQo (7% of hands), you've still got a small equity edge and position. I think a 3bet of 2.5-ish the PFR is appropriate here, with a fold if he 4bets.

Thanks guys.

I did indeed make a 3 bet preflop. All the limpers insta folded and the SB called:



PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 148.6 BB
UTG: 17.4 BB
MP: 135.2 BB
CO: 208.4 BB
BTN: 88.2 BB
SB: 132.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 26 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 17 BB



Flop

Ok let's move on to the flop. Again, I wasn't sure.

Flop: (55 BB, 2 players) 7 4 T
SB checks, Hero ?

I usually treat the raise like a 3b, so I would make it 21BB or something. I think the flop is an easy bet.

Pretty happy with the flop. Should only be beat by TT and the occasional QQ and maybe the very rare AA.

I want to set up a turn shove and protect against FDs.. 20bb?

I don't like the pot being so deep now, I think the 3bet was a bit too big. Now we lose to most of their pocket pairs. This is not a very good flop for our range, and not great for our hand when we have no diamond.
Checking makes our life harder when they find a big bet OTT with their whole range, but we have position. 19BB or check seem fine, although if you bet you need a plan if raised. I guess you bet/fold?

Thanks for your comments. I'll reply with my thoughts at the end so as not to influence your thoughts on turn and river.


On the flop, I decided to bet. SB called:


PokerStars - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 148.6 BB
UTG: 17.4 BB
MP: 135.2 BB
CO: 208.4 BB
BTN: 88.2 BB
SB: 132.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 26 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 17 BB

Flop: (55 BB, 2 players) 7 4 T
SB checks, Hero bets 34.2 BB, SB calls 34.2 BB




Turn

When we get to the turn, SB has 72BB behind. Hero has 88bb behind.


Turn: (123.4 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero?

I think the big flop size narrowed villains range significantly. TT would CR jam a decent amount of the time, so would AA, but they still exist.
Diamond broadways may continue, but not AdKx or similar.

I think he is weighted towards QQ and flushes. Most hands we beat are pretty eager to get to showdown cheaply, like Tx, a loose 99/88, maybe JJ and will check river. I think he has too many flushes for us to try to get him to fold QQ ott, and he would probably call with QdQx.

Check

Tough spot. I dont know if he has anything left that we beat. I guess just check and hope to show down vs A10s or AK w Ad maybe.

The flop bet size seems absurd.

I agree lol.

My warped thought process in these spots is - I have an overpair to the flop but I don't want to see any overcards to my JJ - So I size up. Or at least I did in this hand. I think I spaz out a bit in big pots (3b and 4b pre). The adrenaline starts pumping and I don't take my time to think.


If you didn't like the flop action, you're going to hate what I did on the turn:


Turn: (123.4 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 88.4 BB and is all-in, SB calls 72.4 BB and is all-in

River: (268.2 BB, 2 players) Q

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