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09-13-2009 , 02:28 PM
Villain is unknown, but most of the guys at the NL30 are awful, there's usually one other reg or then just all fish. Its a deep table and he just bought in for max.


Full Tilt Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $30.85
SB: $62.40
BB: $60.00
Hero (UTG): $59.65
CO: $76.35

Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is UTG with 9 9
Hero raises to $1.20, 3 folds, BB raises to $4.20, Hero calls $3

I dont think anyone disagrees w pre.

Flop: ($8.55) 2 5 9 (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero ??,

Soooo. Flat and let him barrell? Raise to get stacks in since we're deep?
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09-13-2009 , 02:40 PM
Raise now before you get an action killer card. I don't think many players barrel the turn/river with AK high in a 3bet pot anyway.
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09-13-2009 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaaz
Raise now before you get an action killer card. I don't think many players barrel the turn/river with AK high in a 3bet pot anyway.
This is fine, but floating the flop might not necessarily be the worst. Hes most likely folding the flop to a raise with his overs (not overpairs), and floating the flop would mean more cards on the turn that could potentially improve his hand. Also, there is nothing we are worried to see on the turn besides a 2 outer, so it can only get better for us.
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09-13-2009 , 02:50 PM
personally id keep it agressive and raise it up
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09-13-2009 , 02:51 PM
Raise and get it in
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09-13-2009 , 02:53 PM
You're in position. I'd flat here. The pot will be like 20 dollars on the turn and a second barrel of 2/3 of pot will more or less commit him. If you raise here and he's CBetting with air might let him get away.
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09-13-2009 , 02:58 PM
Completely standard raise here. He's not folding QQ+. The only hand that you would benefit from flat calling vs is JJ and half the deck scares that away. You have no reads so I wouldn't prioritize getting value from his air as opposed to his over pairs.
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09-13-2009 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by kaos_
Completely standard raise here. He's not folding QQ+. The only hand that you would benefit from flat calling vs is JJ and half the deck scares that away. You have no reads so I wouldn't prioritize getting value from his air as opposed to his over pairs.
A big part of his range is overcards. There are many more combos of those than JJ or QQ, right?
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09-13-2009 , 04:22 PM
Yes. But you don't have reads that your opponent will put any more money in with that part of his range. It's not standard to do so.... you should instead maximize your value vs the part of his range that you have the most control over.
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09-13-2009 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kaos_
Yes. But you don't have reads that your opponent will put any more money in with that part of his range. It's not standard to do so.... you should instead maximize your value vs the part of his range that you have the most control over.
QQ+ will probably stack off anyway.
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09-13-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ligic
QQ+ will probably stack off anyway.
TT-KK is probably not stacking off if overcards hit on the turn. If villain holds TT then thats 16 cards that could fall on the turn, and a 9 might slow him down too. We have no info telling us that villain will 2nd barrel air here, so I'm pretty sure that raising to get value from overpair is better than flatting to let him catch up with overcards.
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09-13-2009 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaaz
TT-KK is probably not stacking off if overcards hit on the turn. If villain holds TT then thats 16 cards that could fall on the turn, and a 9 might slow him down too. We have no info telling us that villain will 2nd barrel air here, so I'm pretty sure that raising to get value from overpair is better than flatting to let him catch up with overcards.

Sounds pretty good. It seems most of you would raise here so let's see finish flop action and see the turn card.

Flop: ($8.55) 2 5 9 (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $16, BB calls $10

I dont have to raise bigger since stacks on the turn are set up nicely for a pot sized shove now. Also villain might spazzshove random overs against a small raise if he's really bad. Anyone wanna betsize differently?

Turn: ($40.55) 2 (2 players)
BB checks,

So we improve again. Instashove or check back?
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09-13-2009 , 05:14 PM
bet $20+ try to milk it some more you could always ship the river
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09-14-2009 , 04:29 AM
bumps. is this hand too boring?
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09-14-2009 , 04:36 AM
I would like to come back to the preflop, does everybody really agree? I personaly don't think that calling 99 is EV+. I mean, what was your plan when you called with a board like K82 or AJ4 ? folding? Are you only set mining? Will you float if only one overcard on the flop ? I just think calling 99 preflop in the limit when they 3bet quite strong is not EV+, and I dont do it. But I am not good enough to say I am right, so if someone can explain why calling is EV+ I am willing to take to learn
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09-14-2009 , 05:19 AM
So you only got a PSB left?
Bet half pot now and ship river, wouldn't ever check here because we don't get any value from FD on river.
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09-14-2009 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cricrinho
I would like to come back to the preflop, does everybody really agree? I personaly don't think that calling 99 is EV+. I mean, what was your plan when you called with a board like K82 or AJ4 ? folding? Are you only set mining? Will you float if only one overcard on the flop ? I just think calling 99 preflop in the limit when they 3bet quite strong is not EV+, and I dont do it. But I am not good enough to say I am right, so if someone can explain why calling is EV+ I am willing to take to learn
I get odds to setmine since we're 200bb deep. It costs me 3$ to win his 60$ stack, i get 20x odds. I'm probably not gonna float him a lot if i dont hit my set, mainly try to get a cheap sd if possible.

^Jackofpain: Does villain have that much fd's in his range? In my experience people usually shove the flop here with a fd and try to maximize fe.
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09-14-2009 , 05:32 AM
Thought it was possible due to your OP that said that they were passive/fishy.
Would just make up a betsize that he's calling with anything on the river.
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09-14-2009 , 05:39 AM
Sure it's possible, i mean villain is an unknown after all so what do i know about his play.
So bet like 10$ and shove any river?
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09-14-2009 , 05:49 AM
something like $17-22 on the turn to give him some decent odds to chase his draws or call off an overpair. any less and it starts to look too suspicious. ship river ez game
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09-14-2009 , 10:00 AM
It looks like this thread is not getting that much discussion, maybe this hand was not as interesting as i thought it would be. Anyway here's results in case those who replied wanna see them.

Turn: ($40.55) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

I felt checking back seems like i stabraised flop and am now giving up.

River: ($40.55) K (2 players)
BB bets $39.80 all in, Hero calls $39.45 all in

loldonthavekkplz

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $119.45
BB shows Ac Kd (two pair, Kings and Twos)
Hero shows 9d 9c (a full house, Nines full of Twos)
Hero wins $116.45
(Rake: $3.00)
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09-14-2009 , 10:43 PM
Nice hand sir. Interesting imo and discussion is useful. I personally think you should have bet the turn again to get value from TT+ as well as making him pay to see his flush draw should he have one. I guess checking back is fine as well as it allows him to catch overs as was the case here. Given that your hand is pretty much a lock to take the pot both have their merits. NH.

Can i just ask how the hell you are playing 15c/30c on FTP? Thanks. Is this a different site and an error with HH?
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09-14-2009 , 10:48 PM
nice hand. who do you owe for showing you that table?
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09-14-2009 , 10:51 PM
If you're raising this flop, make it larger.
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09-15-2009 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
Nice hand sir. Interesting imo and discussion is useful. I personally think you should have bet the turn again to get value from TT+ as well as making him pay to see his flush draw should he have one. I guess checking back is fine as well as it allows him to catch overs as was the case here. Given that your hand is pretty much a lock to take the pot both have their merits. NH.

Can i just ask how the hell you are playing 15c/30c on FTP? Thanks. Is this a different site and an error with HH?
I think TT+ is calling a shove anyway on river, they might fold to a shove if an overcard comes. Charging a flush draw is probably the main concern, i can bet something like 10$-15$ on turn and river would be a 25-30$ shove into a 50-60$ pot.
The table is someone's own on ft that he/she bought with ironman medals if im not mistaken. It's basically a 5max table since he always sits out.

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Originally Posted by cman24687
nice hand. who do you owe for showing you that table?
For that, I am eternally grateful.

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Originally Posted by Ksight3
If you're raising this flop, make it larger.
Why? Stacks are set up for a turn shove as it is and villain is more likely to spazzraise (or call with A high) when i raise less.
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