Well we were both there and when alec quit the game 85k winner i tried to post 50k with brian rast or dan blitz. Alec tried to insult everyones brain power and weasle his way out of it with his pathetic excuses.

Alec was the one that suggested we [post the money and was the one that said dan blitz was fine, alec also sugested that he would answer all questions here. Now he kinda disapeared. i saw him today and gave him the chance to post more money wich he declined.

i convinced at least 3 people just by the look on his face and the shiver in his voice when it was brought up at the table.

Plus i kinda hate the fact that hes on the ethics committe and stuff the fact that he would even accept that position is disgusting.

So at this point he now refuses to bet with u....seems like u might as well just post everything u know then since there won't be a bet and it doesn't look like he's going to return to answer ur questions.

It's pretty obvious Alec is guilty by the way this thread panned out. To what extent is unknown. You might as well go out and say everything you know viff since it looks like Alex is just trying to ignore it hoping it goes away.

Seriously Viffer WHY WONT YOU JUST POST EVERYTHING YOU KNOW

Alec, next time i seeb you in da club, dont even look my way

Yea don't even show yo face in da club!

i have said every thing i know, i know what happened and i have said it from day one. its real simple.


you guy make fun of my spelling but maybe its your reading comprehension that is a little suspect!!!

they want to know all u know about the backer

I must say, Alec's handling of this thread makes DogIsHead look amazing. I can't believe just how pathetic and short his responses have been.

I don't think this thread should be headed to NVG and thus the masses just yet, but if Alec doesn't actually put serious effort into making this situation right and putting all info out there, I am afraid it will be the undesirable end result that will tarnish his name for a long time.

Viffer,

I haven't gone back to double check, but I think that some people don't count the implication of a fact (like "Alec, did you know if Perky was backed when ...") to be a statement of fact. I'm sure that various people have pieced together what you have implied are the things you know, but I'm sure others would be happiest if you would just come out and state what you believe to be the actual facts. I'll try to recap what I remember, and you can say which are facts, which are me misremembering, and which are speculation:

- Perky creates a debt to Perky by losing a set of low stakes freezeouts with large agreed upon multipliers.

- Perky finds a backer who is a casual poker player.

- Perky and Alec conspire to dump to Alec to repay the debt. Because the backer will be watching the match, they have a bet-sizing tell. I believe your statement is that Alec knew that this dump was a backer's money, and not simply Perky skirting transfer rules or being investigated for chip dumping.

- Alec receives the dump to Perky.

- Perky and Alec dump more than the original debt, which Alec then transfers to another of Perky's accounts.

All of this of course leaves out the general feeling that various HS people treated this guy like a good friend until he ran out of giant stacks of money to lose to them. At which point he seems to have lost more to them on credit, and may or may not be telling them to suck it.

When placng a bet or trying to slam someone i wouldnt ask a question that i didnt know the answer to. Probally the reason he never answered the questions, and declined to post the money when me and blitz both asked him to do wich he agreeed to do before he found out it was me trying to make the bet.


he has offered to answer questions then declined, he asked a friend to make a statement about what happened a person who i trust and like, when i asked that friend 3 questions he forgot to answer them.

isa may be unedumacated but mommo tell me no ask questions unless you know the answer, momma pretty smart so i listen to that part.


if i was in the epl i would never want or allow him to judge me.

since HSNL is so connected, why doesn't someone who is friends with traheho urge him to come in and set the facts straight? like good2cu, where are you? you were so passionately defending alec earlier in the thread. looking into the future, there is no way this thread goes away until there is further information released from traheho. so traheho, come forward, get past the mindset of if you dont think about it then it didnt happen, and set the record straight.

Can I ask and all please feel free to discount my opinion as I'm not a HSNL reg why the general public should not read the general consensus of this thread. It's quite obvious that all points have been made. And Alec has neither justified or answered in a means acceptable to the accusations made. This would make a normal person believe that there is a certain level of guilt there. And as Viffer has bought up several times this is someone on the ethics committee of a prominent tournament circuit whos goal is to limelight pros and make general people like myself enter through pro ams to play with such. I think that this should be general knowledge unless Alec can give a reason it should not.

You know what I don't understand? People are trashing Alec Torelli for not answering questions...but it seem like every other post someone is asking Viffer to post the info about the backer. But he ignores it. THAT'S BECAUSE HE DON'T KNOW S***! What a tool. He is speculating. Torelli did state that he didn't know he was backed! How many times does he have to post it?

If he wasn't backed he could have just transfered Alec the money.

traheho, WHERE ARE YOU

is the 3rd thing going to be posted from one of your other accounts?

this is all amazing, Viffers statements seem pretty clear and obv for anyone to understand

And this is one of the questions Alec has consistently ignored.

Viffer - please explain the apparent contradiction in these two posts.

Demanding that an accuser put up money in a prop bet before answering / rebutting their accussations is clearly a ridiculous manouvre. As a tactic it has a very poor track record. We remember Girah. Who would be stupid enough to try this now - when it just makes them look guilty?

From what I can see from this thread however, your above claim is not true. I am also utterly perplexed as to how you could have genuinely made this mistake.

Consider that ITT you made these three challenges to Traheho

Before he reponded with

?

Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.

Q.E.D.

In a bet of this nature, I'd agree that once both parties have agreed the terms, then they are both bound to them even before they escrow any monies. Otherwise, the person that escrows first is being freerolled.

If Alec agreed to the terms - as he appeared to do ITT - then yes, he should lose by default if he's unwilling to escrow, and will essentially owe Viffer 50k.

My point was just that ITT it was Viffer and not Alec that proposed this bet in the first place. This is obviously irrelevant to the status of the bet. I just thought it was important to note that Alec was not employing the transparent 50k-prop-bet-or-won't-say-anything tactic in this thread as a means to avoid difficult questions.

lol

What does being tired have to do with anything? Does it take full alertness and concentration for Alec to believe he didn't rob perky's backer?