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Old 12-06-2011, 09:54 PM   #676
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Re: Perky Debt

Well we were both there and when alec quit the game 85k winner i tried to post 50k with brian rast or dan blitz. Alec tried to insult everyones brain power and weasle his way out of it with his pathetic excuses.

Alec was the one that suggested we [post the money and was the one that said dan blitz was fine, alec also sugested that he would answer all questions here. Now he kinda disapeared. i saw him today and gave him the chance to post more money wich he declined.

i convinced at least 3 people just by the look on his face and the shiver in his voice when it was brought up at the table.

Plus i kinda hate the fact that hes on the ethics committe and stuff the fact that he would even accept that position is disgusting.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:12 PM   #677
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So at this point he now refuses to bet with u....seems like u might as well just post everything u know then since there won't be a bet and it doesn't look like he's going to return to answer ur questions.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:49 PM   #678
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It's pretty obvious Alec is guilty by the way this thread panned out. To what extent is unknown. You might as well go out and say everything you know viff since it looks like Alex is just trying to ignore it hoping it goes away.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:34 PM   #679
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Seriously Viffer WHY WONT YOU JUST POST EVERYTHING YOU KNOW
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:22 AM   #680
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Alec, next time i seeb you in da club, dont even look my way
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:36 AM   #681
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Yea don't even show yo face in da club!
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:33 AM   #682
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i have said every thing i know, i know what happened and i have said it from day one. its real simple.


you guy make fun of my spelling but maybe its your reading comprehension that is a little suspect!!!
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:40 AM   #683
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i have said every thing i know, i know what happened and i have said it from day one. its real simple.


you guy make fun of my spelling but maybe its your reading comprehension that is a little suspect!!!
they want to know all u know about the backer
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:36 PM   #684
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I must say, Alec's handling of this thread makes DogIsHead look amazing. I can't believe just how pathetic and short his responses have been.

I don't think this thread should be headed to NVG and thus the masses just yet, but if Alec doesn't actually put serious effort into making this situation right and putting all info out there, I am afraid it will be the undesirable end result that will tarnish his name for a long time.
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Old 12-10-2011, 12:31 AM   #685
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Re: Perky Debt

Viffer,

I haven't gone back to double check, but I think that some people don't count the implication of a fact (like "Alec, did you know if Perky was backed when ...") to be a statement of fact. I'm sure that various people have pieced together what you have implied are the things you know, but I'm sure others would be happiest if you would just come out and state what you believe to be the actual facts. I'll try to recap what I remember, and you can say which are facts, which are me misremembering, and which are speculation:

- Perky creates a debt to Perky by losing a set of low stakes freezeouts with large agreed upon multipliers.

- Perky finds a backer who is a casual poker player.

- Perky and Alec conspire to dump to Alec to repay the debt. Because the backer will be watching the match, they have a bet-sizing tell. I believe your statement is that Alec knew that this dump was a backer's money, and not simply Perky skirting transfer rules or being investigated for chip dumping.

- Alec receives the dump to Perky.

- Perky and Alec dump more than the original debt, which Alec then transfers to another of Perky's accounts.

All of this of course leaves out the general feeling that various HS people treated this guy like a good friend until he ran out of giant stacks of money to lose to them. At which point he seems to have lost more to them on credit, and may or may not be telling them to suck it.
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:44 AM   #686
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When placng a bet or trying to slam someone i wouldnt ask a question that i didnt know the answer to. Probally the reason he never answered the questions, and declined to post the money when me and blitz both asked him to do wich he agreeed to do before he found out it was me trying to make the bet.


he has offered to answer questions then declined, he asked a friend to make a statement about what happened a person who i trust and like, when i asked that friend 3 questions he forgot to answer them.

isa may be unedumacated but mommo tell me no ask questions unless you know the answer, momma pretty smart so i listen to that part.


if i was in the epl i would never want or allow him to judge me.
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:09 AM   #687
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since HSNL is so connected, why doesn't someone who is friends with traheho urge him to come in and set the facts straight? like good2cu, where are you? you were so passionately defending alec earlier in the thread. looking into the future, there is no way this thread goes away until there is further information released from traheho. so traheho, come forward, get past the mindset of if you dont think about it then it didnt happen, and set the record straight.
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Old 12-12-2011, 03:06 PM   #688
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Re: Perky Debt

Can I ask and all please feel free to discount my opinion as I'm not a HSNL reg why the general public should not read the general consensus of this thread. It's quite obvious that all points have been made. And Alec has neither justified or answered in a means acceptable to the accusations made. This would make a normal person believe that there is a certain level of guilt there. And as Viffer has bought up several times this is someone on the ethics committee of a prominent tournament circuit whos goal is to limelight pros and make general people like myself enter through pro ams to play with such. I think that this should be general knowledge unless Alec can give a reason it should not.

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Old 12-17-2011, 02:10 AM   #689
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Re: Perky Debt

You know what I don't understand? People are trashing Alec Torelli for not answering questions...but it seem like every other post someone is asking Viffer to post the info about the backer. But he ignores it. THAT'S BECAUSE HE DON'T KNOW S***! What a tool. He is speculating. Torelli did state that he didn't know he was backed! How many times does he have to post it?
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:43 AM   #690
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If he wasn't backed he could have just transfered Alec the money.
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:30 PM   #691
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traheho, WHERE ARE YOU
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:20 AM   #692
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I just want to point out I've basically only said 3 things in this thread.

1) I want some proof on these allegations before I assume Alec is guilty.

2) Chip dumping is not as bad as stealing.


I don't understand how anyone could possibly have a problem with any of these statements.
is the 3rd thing going to be posted from one of your other accounts?
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:55 AM   #693
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this is all amazing, Viffers statements seem pretty clear and obv for anyone to understand
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Old 12-20-2011, 12:52 PM   #694
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Maybe I missed it, but it seems no one is picking up on Viffer saying that Perky dumped more than he owed to Alec, and was paid the difference later.

Can't think of a legitimate reason for this happening
And this is one of the questions Alec has consistently ignored.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:56 PM   #695
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With the stuff I know that I can't post here I'm convinced alec knew what was going on, that along with his responses and the circumstantial evidence it's a no brainier.
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i have said every thing i know, i know what happened and i have said it from day one. its real simple.
Viffer - please explain the apparent contradiction in these two posts.
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:20 PM   #696
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Alec was the one that suggested we [post the money and was the one that said dan blitz was fine.
Demanding that an accuser put up money in a prop bet before answering / rebutting their accussations is clearly a ridiculous manouvre. As a tactic it has a very poor track record. We remember Girah. Who would be stupid enough to try this now - when it just makes them look guilty?

From what I can see from this thread however, your above claim is not true. I am also utterly perplexed as to how you could have genuinely made this mistake.

Consider that ITT you made these three challenges to Traheho

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Would you care to wager on this?
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I will be willing to give Blitz 25-50k and let him decide after i present him the facts. If you are deneying this put your money up please.
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alec please post money with dan blitz and we can settle this, we both know what happened but if you want to deny it please make me pay for my false acusations.
Before he reponded with

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...I just saw your request to escrow money with Blitz, which I will be happy to do...

P.S. Gr8, if you are serious about escrowing, please let me know. I just texted Blitz, and have secured the money on my end. Good luck sir.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:30 PM   #697
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Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:44 PM   #698
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Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.
Q.E.D.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:53 PM   #699
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Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.
In a bet of this nature, I'd agree that once both parties have agreed the terms, then they are both bound to them even before they escrow any monies. Otherwise, the person that escrows first is being freerolled.

If Alec agreed to the terms - as he appeared to do ITT - then yes, he should lose by default if he's unwilling to escrow, and will essentially owe Viffer 50k.

My point was just that ITT it was Viffer and not Alec that proposed this bet in the first place. This is obviously irrelevant to the status of the bet. I just thought it was important to note that Alec was not employing the transparent 50k-prop-bet-or-won't-say-anything tactic in this thread as a means to avoid difficult questions.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:12 PM   #700
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Alec was at a 200/400 nl game at aria with myself, eddie ting, viffer, robl, and andre. Viffer posted the 50k as alec requested and then Alec refused to post, saying he was tired and couldn't do it. This is pure bull**** as we had 2 arbitrators present that Alec was ok with and Viffer posted his money, I think Alec should lose this by default.
lol

What does being tired have to do with anything? Does it take full alertness and concentration for Alec to believe he didn't rob perky's backer?
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