I thought this hand was semi interesting in the sense that it could provide some useful discussion to uNL players. Yes its at 100NL Zoom, but I think the hand plays out the same regardless of stakes. To mods: Im not particularly looking for advice here so would prefer it to be left in uNL. Ill post flop action later tonight (say 6 hrs or so).

MP2 is 19/13 over 113 hands. 1.1 AF, 60% cbet. No meaningful/direct history.

CO is 21/13 over a small sample of 24 hands. He is russian, which leads me to infer that he is a 50bb FPP pro.


Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $107.62 (107.6 bb)
SB: $214.11 (214.1 bb)
BB: $101 (101 bb)
UTG+1: $105.70 (105.7 bb)
UTG+2: $100 (100 bb)
MP1: $195.59 (195.6 bb)
MP2: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
MP3: $71.47 (71.5 bb)
CO: $49.78 (49.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ks Js
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, MP3 folds, CO calls $3, Hero ???

I either fold or bet $10

3b to 12$ cause blocker and CO is set / SC minig ?

To add: Fv3b of MP2 is 50% (1 out of 2). No Fv3b sample for the SSer.

No reads provided on SB/BB which leads me to believe that we don't think that either of them is going to get squeezy, so I flat.

Let's see a frop.

SB or BB Squeeze happy?

SB 3b is 3.5%, BB is 4%.

For 100NL Id regard both of those as being on the tighter side.

I think pre flop is fine either way and would mostly depend on how the Villain's fold to flop c-bets. In other words, I think 3-betting pre flop could be better if they have a tendency to call a 3-bet (looks like a reasonably assumption given the gap between the vpip and pfr), and if they have a high fold to c-bet. But KJs plays well in position vs multiple opponents, so it's not as if calling is ever going to be bad.

i'd call and i'm surprised people want to 3b here. the pfr having only a 60% pfr makes me want to flat even more since he's going to check a lot when it's 3 ways and we'll get the pot a lot with nothing. also, if the blinds are squeeze happy (which i realize they aren't) you can always call the pfr and then call the 3b and own them postflop.

People wanting to squeeze wasnt really unexpected imo.

For all the reasons chargers says plus: If the opener 4bets, we are not continuing. If the opener calls, the 50BB pro will see a super profitable shove opportunity with a lot of the hands he can initially call with.

Anyway, flop action:

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, MP3 folds, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) K 2 9 (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $3, Hero ???

3betting seems not so great and seems really high variance

call pre

on flop i prob raise/call vs the 50bb stack and fold if anyone else shows interest

not a fist pump but doubt he folds worse Kx and hoping he has some weird Ax and some TxJ QTd type stuff tempted to fold though because some passive half stacks range with this sizing could just be flushs

maybe the sample on him is to small and im assuming to much and we should just fold flop with more info if i knew he was a standard 50bb random fish i would raise/call

thoughts on that logic? (:

I'm leaning closer to your second logic, small sample size means I don't want to assume too much.

We've got a showdown-value hand against an opponent that looks like, at least at present, he's not trying to build a big pot either. I'm happy to call this small bet and see if he can get to showdown in position. Getting out if MP2 checkraises, if the fourth diamond comes, or if CO comes out blasting the turn.

super std call, s00ted broadways otb

@mtagliaf if we call flop we pretty much have to call 3 barrels though and if hes had i dont want scare cards to come on turn that lets him fold all his dodge Kx

Turn


Preflop: Hero is BTN with K J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, MP3 folds, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) K 2 9 (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3, MP2 calls $3

Turn: ($19.50) Jc (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero ???

b/f ~ 12

bomb the crappers out of it, like 16.5

been thinking about the flop for a while now and pretty sure flop is fold now

Def don't 3b pre, super easy flat. Flop's weird I probably just raise if he had a value hand he'd bet way bigger and other guy is ch/f like always. Once in awhile he's trapping with a flush or w/e but I think there's plenty of value in raising. Fold if he 3-bets though. As played obviously bet turn, I have a feeling you're gonna get raised or something and that'd be super weird, but probably just a fold if either of them raises.

@zach wouldnt he cbet larger with Kx (protecting from flush logic) and wouldnt he bet more with a draw for FE if he wanted to draw cheap he prob just checks not wanting to get raised.

whenever i see this mini bet multi way i swear its the nutter butters its like a turn min check raise

I think it's more likely he bets trying to keep pot small. Halfstack regfish don't bet big trying to get FE they bet small because they think no one can raise less than the nuts and they can get a sick price. Also you're giving those guys wayyyyy too much credit. That said he can definitely have some flushes here, I just think it's an extremely small part of his range compared to other stuff that would take this line.

Nice to see everyone thinks the turn is a bet. I went for 12.

River

Bet or check?

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3, MP3 folds, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($10.50) K 2 9 (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3, MP2 calls $3

Turn: ($19.50) J (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $12, MP2 calls $12, CO calls $12

River: ($55.50) 8 (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero ???

I have to be honest when I say that I'm checking here.

I think that a bet here turns our hand into a bluff and I'm really not keen on folding to somebody who decides to do the same with the naked A (and knows that we have a tough call to make).

We also keep from owning ourselves (further?) against other made hands.

i agree if hes a random half stack cake just that op said he suspected vil is some ruski pro.

but if he is a rando 50bb cake then isnt raising flop better than calling?

to many cards kill our action on turn & our raise can fold out a ton of other peoples equity and even fold out KQ KJ or other draws

so raise > call on flop?


as played i bet river straights unlikely and doubt sets just c/c c/c c/c

...and then?