I know that guy he 3betting with pol range and he 3bet like 10% from btn maybe more vs me and we have some kind of history.

What is your play on that flop when he c bet it and why?

fold ofcourse

I think you have to give us your ragne for defending 3b there oop

it's all his opening range vs that size, and the other guy is printing money vs himlol

I would rather flat the 3bet OOP with 65s or 76s than T9s being OOP. LAGs are going to have more 9x and Tx in their 3bet range than TAGs, and that can kind of make the hand harder to play. However, if we do choose to flat this, then we have to play the hand with some creativity. We're not going to make a hand enough times OOP to warrant playing this.

So, that being said, we could try the old "lolimanitandwaittilltheturntocheckraisemynutsbeca useidontknowwhattodo" line. Pretty much flat, and then check/raise/fold any 8, J, K, A, or spade that comes OTT. We're deep enough that we can do that and still find a fold button, plus those cards that come will give us more equity if they flat (c'mon J )

But the best play is to just fold pre against a LAG OOP.

With his sizing pre i will play back like crazy,i cant fold and wait some good hands he will crush me.And i will 4bet depol there with JJ+AK and play for stacks but this is kind of deep so some of this hands is on my flatting range.On that dry flops i wana make some moves or floats oop and c/r turn good for me,trying per top of my range.If i even flat AA or KK i will c/r that flops,he can get my some action with TP hands.

4 bet bluff more than

JJ+ AK is not depol

Come on bro is that the point now?Its Merged so you c/f that flop?

JJ+ AK is top of range only

depol. would be like KQo AJs for value etc.


anyways you have to give your 3b flatting range oop there to analyze it

I will go and pla back with
AA-TT,AKo-AQo,AKs-AJs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s

And i will 4bet him only AA/KK with that stacks and ofc never 4bet him bluff.

why never 4b bluff him? if you 4b AA KK there you need bl00fs

I will go and pla back with
AA-TT,AKo-AQo,AKs-AJs,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs,T9s

And i will 4bet him only AA/KK with that stacks and ofc never 4bet him bluff.

y u no understand noobis?

you need to construct a bet or a raise with valuehands AND bluffhands

O.M.G troll

Hey sorry for double post my pc laggy lol.

If i am on that spot with 82combos i will try and play back with ~35 of them if he c bet that small.I dont have bluffing combos on flop cos there is nothing that i can rep,seence that i never reraise for value,so all my continue range is by calling and c/r turn.But we have history and i can start c/r QQ or AA for value cos i need to do.

no, you dont need x/r range on that flop

This is not true but i dont want talk about it right now.Tell me better about floating oop and if you like it?

If i have c/r range here i can have less flating range(with air).

You really shouldn't be flatting 3bets oop, even stupid little ones unless you have a plan for most flops:
I would either: fold or 4bet pre, villan dependant.
Now we are on this flop, I either fold, or call with the plan to check raise turn, or bet river if he checks turn behind. Again fold or float here is villan dependant.

I wouldn't be calling the 3bet to fold this board though.

yeah it depends on you how you wanna construct your ranges
you can either x/r a wide bluff range + a wide value range (meaning QJ type of hands too)

or you can just x/c your entire continuing range
but never have a x/r and a x/c range imo. i geuss you could but that would be really tricky

As you can see pll are bad,there is a dogma that flating oop 3 bets its bad but its true just cos pll who are ftating are bad as well.
Vs a light 3bettor its easyer to 4 bet gii pre and harder to flat but flating more +ev imo.Whatever thank cu

^noobis


but yeah i agree that this "dont flat 3b oop" statement is complete bs

T9s surely will be close to the bottom of our opening range in mp, 10% 3b isn't crazy and even if his 3b is @20% T9 is still underdog vs his range added the fact that he has position on us, we probably should fold pre most of the time and 4b bluff very small amount of the time.

You see Deeepz ^^^^?
He tell that T9s is underdog and he will fold even if btn 3bet 20%,i will add something that a friend on mine said "And dude,when i will have AA i will huge 4 bet him..."