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11-10-2012 , 06:39 AM

chip_defender

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Villain was 100/38 after 8 hands

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14494521

BTN: $6.61 (132.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $9.19 (183.8 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $5.50 (110 bb)
UTG+2: $2.57 (51.4 bb)
MP1: $2.75 (55 bb)
MP2: $5 (100 bb)
MP3: $5.27 (105.4 bb)
CO: $1.58 (31.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $2, Hero folds

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I folded because I think he can do this with any 2 pair, straight or set. I think if he had just one pair or a draw, he would just call. I also don't like the idea of calling and hoping he shuts down. Any thoughts on this one guys?

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11-10-2012 , 07:02 AM

Mymy

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His preflop tendencies are not as important as his postflop tendencies. How did he play those 8 hands, he saw a flop 100% of the time, so you should have a small sample size and a generel idea about what he does on the flop.

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11-10-2012 , 07:14 AM

DanielLiu

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... This is too tight IMO vs someone who's playing this loose.
If he's really loose; his range weighting becomes more draws.
If he's a bit more tight for calling 3bets his range post-flop includes overpairs+TP/TPGK.

I would call and re-evaluate, never folding turn if another spade comes.

Given it's so early on in the game I think it's alright to stack it off in a 3bet pot and take a note if something strange pops up.

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11-10-2012 , 01:13 PM

Exothermic

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terrible fold

its 3bet pot, villain plays every hand in 8 samples which is enough to knows hes a whale, he can even have just a 9x otf or 2nd pair or top pair or flush draws or even air giving hes prob just clicking btns... ship otf n its not close

+ we have back door flush which improves our equity somewhat n takes away some equity from a flush draw

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11-10-2012 , 01:22 PM

Hicham009

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^ having the As also removes flushdraw combo's from his range. But I doubt this matters at all for a villain like this.

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11-10-2012 , 01:55 PM

ToTcH

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Originally Posted by Exothermic

I totally agree with you. So if we aren't folding what is the best thing to do? Shove, call?

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11-10-2012 , 02:02 PM

vrbik

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nooooo so much missed value. this is insta ship on flop

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11-10-2012 , 03:54 PM

MartL

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Ship it. Villains at this level still raise TP so he can have a lot of TX in his range that he cant fold and also some other ****.

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11-10-2012 , 06:59 PM

transversal

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Originally Posted by MartL

Ship it. Villains at this level still raise TP so he can have a lot of TX in his range that he cant fold and also some other ****.

Is this recommendation because its only 5 NL? If you were playing 100 NL 138 bbs deep would you do the same? With this line, it's hard for the villain to make a mistake. He calls all 2-pairs and above and folds the rest.

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11-10-2012 , 08:13 PM

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MartL

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Originally Posted by transversal

I cant see what raise size we can make that makes that much difference to be honest. I mean we raise to 4 and he calls he only has about $2 left, id rather just get it in. Unless he flopped a set or the straight we arnt in terrible shape and im going to take my chances against someone who has played every hand in 8.

It may be hard for the villain to make a mistake but he is probably oblivious to that and thinks Tx is the nuts.

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11-10-2012 , 09:37 PM

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di0d80

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Originally Posted by transversal

Even if its 1000nl, you get it in.

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11-10-2012 , 09:46 PM

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Rapidesh123

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tough,

cbetting this board sucks because there are a lot of 2-pair combos(not counting the monster draw ones.

i think calling is fine since you have the backdoor flush, also there's a chance of fish betting small on all streets or be bluffing.

on this board i'm not cbetting my aces, since usually i'm slightly ahead or hugely behind if we engage all-in OTF

check-call the flop(if the bet isn't pot-sized)
and then you see what you do, if villain checks you can bet.

also most turn and rivers will be superbad cards for you.

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11-11-2012 , 08:05 AM

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Bloobird

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I'd ship it as well. Plenty of value from overpairs, Tx and draws, and I don't reckon he's got two pair or the set too often. All kinds of turn cards could give you a headache, just get it in now.

Line up to the fold is fine IMO. No idea why rapidesh thinks you shouldn't c-bet here, there's not that many hands that have you beat ATM, but a lot that could catch up if you give them a free card. I think that's a massive leak tbh.

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11-11-2012 , 08:41 AM

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Rok2p2

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11-11-2012 , 12:19 PM

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di0d80

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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

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11-11-2012 , 12:29 PM

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YouFaiil

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oh he's serious...

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11-11-2012 , 12:53 PM

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MartL

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Originally Posted by di0d80

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

Thought that myself. Lol at not cbetting this board with AA against anybody let alone a fish.

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