ok so donker in this hand is an alright villain. Very laggy doesnt like to fold a whole bunch. I think hes mostly a HU player.

Villain who raises the donk bet is a very aggressive TAG (26/24 with a 20% 3 bet) who is raising flop bets more often than he is folding to them. Smallish sample tho, 400 hands. He is also an FTOPS champion who judging by his PTR doesnt play much cash.

I have been playing pretty loose on this table so far, probably around 35/30 over the 40 or so hands ive been at the table but nothing too out of line. Only biggish pot ive played is picking off a bluff on a 4 flush board against the donk raiser a few orbits before this.

What do you do when the action gets to you? Notice we are 200bbs deep with the donker and 300 deep with the raiser.

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UTG: $847.45
MP: $3955.50
Hero (CO): $2859.50
BTN: $622.00
SB: $1984.00
BB: $2310.00

Pre Flop: ($24.00) Hero is CO with 4 4
1 fold, MP raises to $35, Hero calls $35, 1 fold, SB calls $30, BB calls $25

Flop: ($149.00) 3 2 4 (4 players)
SB bets $130, BB folds, MP raises to $539, Hero ???

I'm just calling, not because i'm scared or anything, but raising looks super strong and i want to keep lower sets in.

flat

Meh, board is so drawy that I just make it $1350 and rely on them making a mistake or having 22/33, so many turns either kill your action or scare you. Also most combo draws won't fold either.

flatting also looks very strong. flatting gives the donker too good of odds to draw and it doesn't give MP raiser a chance to shove with worse hands. i think making a small raise to like cib to ~1050 and calling a shove is best. even if u are up vs a5s/56s every time, ur equity is like 39% and there are def worse hands that will value shove.

I tend to disagree given action and SB/MP would be a little suicidal or read heavy to shove worse here... (even 33) this deep. Also equity=35% worse case scenario

since you are bluffing 0% of the time here, flatting has to be best. cold 3balling here is like 56 w/ no clubs and they could hero fold 33/22

Wow, toughest hand I've seen in awhile. Because of position I don't despise flatting, but given the donking dynamic I think a small raise is equally as fine.

Actually looking @ it, it is 4ways, and I'd imagine 44 is more in the middle of your range to cold 3bet than anything else, and this deep w/ the strength of the action before, a raise might be too strong for your hand (though there is still value). So yeah, I flat and eval turn, either calling or shoving over a bet on certain turns. I also realize we will hate like 1/3 of the deck on the turn (esp if the donker calls too), but raise/getting it is just seems meh @ best.

Pretty sick spot. I think flatting looks about as strong at cold 3 balling here so I really don't know what is best. What would you do if you had AJc here NWC?

doesn't sound like raiser is folding something like Axcc. -> I'd just pump it up. Though, flatting is prob the more balanced play and something you'd use vs the majority of players.

flatting is def not as strong as cold 3balling imo...

you're getting to a stack depth where it's not even that bad to be cold calling raises here with strong draws and I think that's really what you want to try and rep

probably just 3 bet... **** i dont know... GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

olof brought up a good point. And I was thinking the same thing, which is hes pretty much never raise/folding Axcc so even if he folds 22/33 were a 55% favorite against 65s,65o, and A5cc+

So I think its a fairly easy 3 bet/get it in/gambooooooool/please win/fill up if he has a straight/dont let him hit quads if i oversetted him/let me hit the amazing running clubs against his straight no club hands

would be much more interesting if i had 22/33 in which case i think it would be a fold.

i wud fold 22 here fosho. here I think ur hands are tied on not telegraphing ur strength by continuing, just flat tho methinks.

if both villains are super aggro like you said and also your image is potentially loose/stationary after picking off the same donk raiser, i think flatting here has to be better, although it opens up a bunch of complications when the original donker calls and the turn is one of those baad cards.

i cant really seeing u gettin the money in here vs an overpair, but there are a **** ton of cards that suck on the turn, that not only possibly give you an inferior hand but stop you from gettin money from other inferior holdings.

i would usually play this fast , but this spot jus sucks because ure rarely bluffing here, all your draws will be huge if ure raising so it kinda makes MP fold like 99% of his range , if he's good and doesnt view you as a monkey.

also, why would you be folding 22/33 here...just wondering the reasoning behind that.

As long as you don't fold you will look superduperstrong. I would raise and get it in just like I would probably do with almost any hand that I was continuing with here.

I think I shove here. When first reading this, I was thinking that Villain's range was AX, A5s or overpair (sometimes set, but I don't think that's too likely), and that you'd lose a lot of value from overpairs by raising.

But Villain's raise makes the pot large enough that I think a huge raise to shut down any naked draws in this spot is worth it. I also think if you flat call it looks so strong that overpairs won't commit more money in, and there are enough scare cards for an overpair on the turn as well (unless they hit a higher set, or AA makes a straight).

I think I like ~$1500-$1800 for a raise. (yes, I know that's most of the stack).

3b > flat

plzzzz eleborate (sp?)

3bet because you are the spewy nextwlrdchamp !! Lower sets might call you which is great.

reasons were already stated pretty much, in addition to NWCs image (as of a few weeks ago)

u cant possibly justify this play with "image"

No one is ever bluffing here once they cold 3bet this flop after a monster raise

lol at flatting here...nh...

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UTG: $847.45
MP: $3955.50
Hero (CO): $2859.50
BTN: $622.00
SB: $1984.00
BB: $2310.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is CO with 4 4
1 fold, MP raises to $35, Hero calls $35, 1 fold, SB calls $30, BB calls $25

Flop: ($140.00) 3 2 4 (4 players)
SB bets $130.00, BB folds, MP raises to $539, Hero raises to $1300, SB folds, MP raises to $3919, Hero calls $1524.50 all in

Turn: ($5919.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($5919.00) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $5919.00
MP shows A 5
Hero shows 4 4
MP wins $5922.00
(Rake: $-4.50)