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03-26-2016 , 09:55 PM

#701

angeles

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,942

lollllll

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03-27-2016 , 04:51 AM

#702

TimDrone

banned

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 29

looking for a 25nl stake pls pm

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03-27-2016 , 05:41 AM

#703

GTO_or_GTFO

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 81

lol

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03-27-2016 , 06:32 PM

#704

Siculamente

banned

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,144

He put you on KQ that was a value shove obv

Timdrone pm I can sell my secrets for a price, with my 12 steps you could make well over 100k long term sustainable at 25nl

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03-27-2016 , 08:59 PM

#705

TR7isBetterThanU

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 270

You know the recent changes are having a bad effect on the "ecosystem" when Jungle and WCGRyder are playing 600nl

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03-28-2016 , 05:48 AM

#706

cilderr

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774

so how much more rake are u guys paying today?

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03-28-2016 , 11:42 AM

#707

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,106

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Originally Posted by cilderr

so how much more rake are u guys paying today?

I spent the last several days and countless hours going over it, making graphs, analyzing it, doing some differentials and I've come up with about...

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03-29-2016 , 11:08 AM

#708

mousebreaker

stranger

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 5

Its insane

I have played 2/5 HU PLO.

My rake has gone from 4,4bb/100 to 11,7bb/100

That is crazy!!!

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03-29-2016 , 02:09 PM

#709

_jimbo_

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,439

Rec/reg ratio has gone to **** on zoom since the Stars/888 changes.

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03-29-2016 , 03:40 PM

#710

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

Maybe people start seeing it for wat it is, a raketrap which has zero value w/o SNE rakeback and/or lifetime heater. Still blows my mind how so many people still grinding it. You should just once look at rake paid vs. tablewinnings after 250k hands and youll likely be cured

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03-29-2016 , 04:32 PM

#711

cilderr

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774

0 value lol. even if ur not that good and grind 200z with only 1bb wr ur still making like 40 bucks an hour w rb.

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03-29-2016 , 05:08 PM

#712

Pinkmann

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,487

Which you will realize all in a few months heater, then breakeven for 1 year

If your true winrate is 1bb, its time to find a different game

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03-29-2016 , 05:59 PM

#713

cilderr

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774

it was just an example how something with "0 value" can have decent hourly for most ppl. If ppl are so worried about how much rake they are paying relative to other games then they should be grinding 1c rakefree hypers. Hourly is all that matters.

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03-29-2016 , 08:34 PM

#714

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

Teh really sad thing is that 40$ is considered a strong hourly now lmao

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03-29-2016 , 10:22 PM

#715

Onemorecrack

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 304

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Originally Posted by cilderr

+1

Totally agree !

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03-29-2016 , 10:28 PM

#716

_jimbo_

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,439

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Originally Posted by TimStone

Teh really sad thing is that 40$ is considered a strong hourly now lmao

Hang on just one sec. You can make those second hand porsche repayments with that $40 hourly.

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03-30-2016 , 03:42 AM

#717

PlasticElephant

Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2,307

The swings around a $40 hourly with a 1bb win rate would be so repulsive that unless you are almost risk neutral I can't see how it would appeal to you. As soon as stress from poker starts over flowing into life it's not worth it imo unless you're earning a huge amount of money

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03-30-2016 , 09:05 AM

#718

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

The main problem w having 1bb is really how long u will have it. One rake increase and ur hourly goes from 40 to about 3.5ish

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03-30-2016 , 10:41 AM

#719

cilderr

adept

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774

lol guys i made one random example how zoom doesnt have 0 value, there is no point in analyzing and nitpicking it to shreds by bringing in hypothetical swings and rake increases. My point was simply that zoom has value (atleast for now and has had value since the start) and that total rake paid means nothing in terms of profitability.

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03-30-2016 , 11:06 AM

#720

z0mgtiltz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 10,944

Welcome to the internet where if you've made one slightly incorrect statement it will be made clear to you over and over

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03-30-2016 , 11:41 AM

#721

GensuruBomba

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 13

So isn't there any other place to play without paying huge rake? I played on 888 and it is only bumhunting. There are no place left where one can find some regular games running daily?

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03-30-2016 , 01:02 PM

#722

MartimC

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6,561

how much did this rake change affected 200/500zoom?

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03-30-2016 , 03:42 PM

#723

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

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Originally Posted by cilderr

My point was simply that zoom has value

it has a ton of value. For Stars. Its most likely the biggest aids ever developed by a pokersite. Gotta love those guys at FT

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Originally Posted by GensuruBomba

So isn't there any other place to play without paying huge rake? I played on 888 and it is only bumhunting. There are no place left where one can find some regular games running daily?

Its 2016, go figure. Even if there would be one great site it would take max 1 week until great becomes ok-ish

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03-31-2016 , 05:20 AM

#724

Mixgrill

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 1,817

• Spin & Go rake will be increased by one percentage point for buy-ins from $1 to $30 (two percentage points in $3 buy-in). $0.25, $60 and $100 buy-ins will not change.
• In multi-table tournaments, PokerStars will match the practices deployed in our closed liquidity markets where rebuys and add-ons incur fees similar to the original entry. These tournaments represent approximately 12% of the current main schedule.
• MTT hyper-turbo rake will be increased to 5%.
• Cap and percentage of rake will be increased in some no limit and pot limit ring games, mainly heads-up. Some rake caps will be lowered. Limit games will not be affected.

'some games' is kind of vague, but I don't see anything about 6max cash rake being raised. Am I wrong?
Maybe I should not be reading this so early in the morning.