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03-11-2016 , 08:58 PM
obviously free+money is way cooler than free+no money.
Question was is free+no money cooler than 9-5 job+money?

Would you rather live in some place like Bali where life is really cheap and using your passive income from your poker earnings(not baller like before but a bitter better than the average guy living there) or live in Viena with a 9-5 job and 2 weeks holiday per year?
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03-12-2016 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
who the **** spends 5k/mo outside of like London
Way easier than you think. With mortgage, cars, tractor (yup), pets/animals etc, it really mounts up.

Also the change from deep ante to just ante is 100% another cash grab by stars. They've basically now got a table that plays about 80bb effective or something that will also hit rake cap quicker.
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03-12-2016 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
I haven't got a job yet, but I've had a number of interviews in which I've had to talk about poker, and I've consistently been given the impression (whether truthfully or not) that the poker wasn't the problem. A couple of points I'd make:

1) If you've done any coaching or video-making, direct focus to that; it's less controversial and it can illustrate a wider range of skills.
2) Work on talking about the transferable skills that poker has given you. Talk about how hand-reading is essentially a process of deductive logic etc. Assume that most people in professional careers understand enough basic economics to be familiar with the concept of an equilibrium.
what kind of jobs were you mostly applying for?
did they say what the problems were?

and yeah generally +1 on the above, there are some pretty good posts throughout 2p2 where people share similar advice about how to word stuff, how to decide whether to include poker at all etc (kind of hard if you have a long gap to not mention it i guess)
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03-12-2016 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JonIrenicus
Finally some sanity back to this discussion.
TimStone, forget about coming to Romania, sit your depression inducing attitude about careers at home.
I'd happily trade my diploma and skills(not gonna use that anyway) that would get you a good IT job in the west for a meaningless thing like a 6pack.
TonnaMunz, you're cool, feel free to come instead:-)


I think the guy who posted that had kids and was married, I could see that changing your views, but as long as you are not then hell yea, rent in forest FTW
haha

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Way easier than you think. With mortgage, cars, tractor (yup), pets/animals etc, it really mounts up.

Also the change from deep ante to just ante is 100% another cash grab by stars. They've basically now got a table that plays about 80bb effective or something that will also hit rake cap quicker.
yeah wtf, no info on this anywhere? i will email stars and ask. instead of deep ante for all stakes they have deep ante and 100bb ante now for 2-16nl and 2knl+ but 25-1knl they are only 100bb ante :'(

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03-12-2016 , 04:44 AM
100bb ante games, WOOTWOOT......
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03-12-2016 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
who the **** spends 5k/mo outside of like London

I think you'd be rather surprised.
Here in Sydney $5k/month for the average renter that likes to live somewhere decent and go out a few times a week would be a quite hard to pull off.
As for having a mortgage, $5k/month is a low-average estimate for just this alone. I'd give my left nut to be able to keep my expenses at or below 5k.

Damn she a pretty city though!!

Last edited by marke.; 03-12-2016 at 04:50 AM. Reason: I don't pretend to derive any income from teh pokerz
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03-12-2016 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by raikkonen3
bit of a long shot since most people in here are still pros but has anyone in here got a lolrealjob after being a pro and got any experience in how to put it into cv/what to say in an interview
Everything depends on you, on your ability to sell yourself, what you actually did etc etc etc.

One of the documents that I used as a helper for my discussion, quickly illiustrate things.

But if you can't sell yourself no one else will help you.



btw I wouldn't hire any ex poker pro.
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03-12-2016 , 07:23 AM
Any chance you'd like to paste that text parts in english without including the personal stuff etc, seems very interesting.
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03-12-2016 , 07:28 AM
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what kind of jobs were you mostly applying for?
did they say what the problems were?

and yeah generally +1 on the above, there are some pretty good posts throughout 2p2 where people share similar advice about how to word stuff, how to decide whether to include poker at all etc (kind of hard if you have a long gap to not mention it i guess)
Applying for solicitors' training contracts. Problems were varied - I guess the recurrent themes were not explaining something or other in enough detail, or otherwise getting the detail/babbling balance wrong.

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I think you'd be rather surprised.
Here in Sydney $5k/month for the average renter that likes to live somewhere decent and go out a few times a week would be a quite hard to pull off.
As for having a mortgage, $5k/month is a low-average estimate for just this alone. I'd give my left nut to be able to keep my expenses at or below 5k.

Damn she a pretty city though!!
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Way easier than you think. With mortgage, cars, tractor (yup), pets/animals etc, it really mounts up.

Also the change from deep ante to just ante is 100% another cash grab by stars. They've basically now got a table that plays about 80bb effective or something that will also hit rake cap quicker.
I guess it's just hard to imagine - my expenses personally come to about $1k/mo and I live quite close to the centre of quite a nice city in the UK (York).
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03-12-2016 , 07:41 AM
My living expenses come to 2.5k$ p/m and I'm living in a 3Rd world country.


Imagine it's super easy to get to 5k$ in 1st world capitals.
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03-12-2016 , 07:51 AM
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03-12-2016 , 07:52 AM
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Applying for solicitors' training contracts. Problems were varied - I guess the recurrent themes were not explaining something or other in enough detail, or otherwise getting the detail/babbling balance wrong.





I guess it's just hard to imagine - my expenses personally come to about $1k/mo and I live quite close to the centre of quite a nice city in the UK (York).
wtf 1k p month. I live in Cardiff, among cheapest city in the UK and still touch 1.8k (and rent+bills is $500). Can't even imagine dropping costs to 1k, what do you eat, potato with side of potato?
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03-12-2016 , 08:07 AM
I spend a bit over 1k/month and feel I'm living a very very simple life style. And I'll be spending significantly more than that soon as I'll be putting >>> than minimum into a lot of loans.
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03-12-2016 , 08:15 AM
All about community experience


Also tonna. How can you still be a little bitch at the tables? No idea why you keep saying 'lol' at me for sitting in to play poker. You hate me because of your own stupidity lol

Like...you seem a nice guy off the tables but you sure do lose a fair few braincell's when it comes to starting tables

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03-12-2016 , 08:35 AM
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Any chance you'd like to paste that text parts in english without including the personal stuff etc, seems very interesting.
Hey, Sorry I didn't create English version. Actually even crafting Lithuanian one took a lot of time, so sorry I will not share this. But the purpose of this is to spark interest and get an invitation into the interviews. Then you need to explain everything yourself. And you need to be good at this, understand everything well. When I got an interview with Euromonitor actually I got into some troubles because it looks like that what I thought to be statics is not that That was quite an interesting interview.

It is not a CV tho. It is just 6 years of poker career explanation for normal human beings

Finally multiple companies got interested in me, however, past experience in some other companies (bank for example) also helped a lot.

My advice would be to spend time on crafting your CV, read a and fallow suggestions on the internet, make your CV eye-catching, register to linked in and go to all interviews that you can - even if you are not interested in getting that position. Your goal is to gather epxerience in those conversations, get better, quickly spot your own flaws, be familiar with all those questions and figure out answers in advance. Also it is quite common that you will be not interesting in some job, but after having conversation you will change your mind.
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03-12-2016 , 08:58 AM
haha starting tables is a real s**t show because a high % of regs are pretty much scum, if my worst mistake is complaining when im forced into playing 3h vs regs i think im not doing that bad... Pretty hard not to get frustrated vs the delusionals that think they can beat competent regs 3h after the rake at ssnl.

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03-12-2016 , 11:34 AM
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who the **** spends 5k/mo outside of like London
Its lifestyle dependant.

I always paid alot for rent bc i want to live in a nice place, care insurance is ridic expensive here and my biggest flaw is i stopped cooking 2years ago. Now if you eat out/takeaway twice/day thats a ****load of money. Im not willing to change my attitude just yet though but w/o car+cooking i prolly could go down to 2.5

But if u live in rly expensive places like straya, singapore, london, hongkong you pretty much spend 5k no matter wat
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03-12-2016 , 11:42 AM
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I spend a bit over 1k/month and feel I'm living a very very simple life style. And I'll be spending significantly more than that soon as I'll be putting >>> than minimum into a lot of loans.
budapest here, spending about 1k eur/month with rent and ordering fitness food every day. hungary **** yeah
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03-12-2016 , 12:42 PM
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Its lifestyle dependant.

I always paid alot for rent bc i want to live in a nice place, care insurance is ridic expensive here and my biggest flaw is i stopped cooking 2years ago. Now if you eat out/takeaway twice/day thats a ****load of money. Im not willing to change my attitude just yet though but w/o car+cooking i prolly could go down to 2.5

But if u live in rly expensive places like straya, singapore, london, hongkong you pretty much spend 5k no matter wat
Pretty sure I could do London on Ł1.5k/mo if I wasn't commuting to work. Ł1k for a room in a shared house or flat, Ł500 for the rest.
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03-12-2016 , 12:56 PM
Tim, when you said 5k/m I assume you didn't include big buys like a car, just normal expenses in a month where nothing happens.

I spend around 2.5k $ / m (in Romania) but I could spend just 1k or even lower if I really had to.
So at some point if my monthly income gets bellow 2.5$ I'll do that bc I don't want to spend more than I earn.
But I like to live in a big house instead of an apartment and the rent for that is 700(+houses expenses which are around 300 in winter).
Cars really bore me and I don't like driving(I am also a terrible driver based on my personal evaluation).
Here it's also harder to find parking spots in most places so I just use a taxi or trains to travel.

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03-12-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Pretty sure I could do London on Ł1.5k/mo if I wasn't commuting to work. Ł1k for a room in a shared house or flat, Ł500 for the rest.
makes pretty much no sense to live in london if ur playing poker imo, dafuq 1k for a room. Also traffic jams etc that make u waste more time per day and u get no extra benefit out of it.

for me it is flat 250€ month, 100-150€ for petrol, smth like 200€ for food (if i cooked myself and bought stuff from market i could lower it to 100 or even lower maybe), 250€ for booze/smokes. All these basic (well maybe not booze) costs add up more than a median wage which means younger generation in general is in a pretty terrible situation since they dont own property. Add clothes/nights out/car repairs/insurance etc and no wonder why lots of young people are busto or in debt.
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03-12-2016 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TonnaMunz
haha starting tables is a real s**t show because a high % of regs are pretty much scum, if my worst mistake is complaining when im forced into playing 3h vs regs i think im not doing that bad... Pretty hard not to get frustrated vs the delusionals that think they can beat competent regs 3h after the rake at ssnl.

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It's not forced to play 3h though is it. Or is this another LOL tonna because he can't count and lose another beaincell at the tables. .... You was beyond ******ed at 400 complaining about amount of tables being opened WHILST opening a new table to join lol...

If you think I'm delusional (which is hinted in your post) then I can suggest look at my win rate at the stakes I start tables at u c*nt (99% confident it's over 4 at all stakes)

Almost as if there's more to start tables vs 2 regs.....who the **** would have thought that. ...

P.s don't lose braincell's too much because you got crushed so hard at Hu ..

Last edited by GungaDin; 03-12-2016 at 08:45 PM. Reason: LOL tonna. #**** #beMoreRetarded #123learntocount #LOLYMPIC #spoilerHeart
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03-12-2016 , 08:53 PM
You know, when you're being really bitchy and confrontational ITT, it's much more fun to read if you write coherently.
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03-12-2016 , 09:02 PM
Stars just got rid of the deep tables? the f*ck... i played more than 50% of my lifetime reg table volume there, it was fun while it lasted.. gg

Edit: Oh, and f*ck them, f*ck their player experience bullsh*t, f*ck the poker room manager.

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03-12-2016 , 10:34 PM
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You know, when you're being really bitchy and confrontational ITT, it's much more fun to read if you write coherently.
lets get back to TDA talking about that he says he does poker in a bunch of interviews but still hasnt got a job.hmmm

Last edited by GungaDin; 03-12-2016 at 10:38 PM. Reason: p.s how you spend only 1k$ when you eat 2x as much as most of us??? suck it
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