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03-16-2022 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Claret~N~Blue
Maybe its time to try the other trackers on the market before committing? I really want to give hand2note a try for a good period, I like the setup and features but making the HUD is quite off putting.. With PT4 its all so easy..

DriveHud2 - best of both worlds
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03-16-2022 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
DriveHud2 - best of both worlds
So the HUD creation isn't complicated like hand2note? It takes me a while to find stats.. PT4 is so simple..

Has anyone used the paid features on hand2note? Are they worth the sub? Or can I use PT4 in conjunction with other SW to achieve similar?
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03-16-2022 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Claret~N~Blue
So the HUD creation isn't complicated like hand2note? It takes me a while to find stats.. PT4 is so simple..

Has anyone used the paid features on hand2note? Are they worth the sub? Or can I use PT4 in conjunction with other SW to achieve similar?
If you know what stats you want, it's pretty easy to search for them.

There is definitely more of a learning curve in comparison to PT4, but not as much as H2N. At least from the limited experience I have with H2N. I downloaded a trial version a while back, and was super overwhelmed.


You can get familiar with some of the features of DH2 here: https://drivehud.com/dh2-manual/

Video on creating a HUD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV4zxQQY5dY&t=1s

Support is really good if you have any questions:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../index253.html
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03-16-2022 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
If you know what stats you want, it's pretty easy to search for them.



There is definitely more of a learning curve in comparison to PT4, but not as much as H2N. At least from the limited experience I have with H2N. I downloaded a trial version a while back, and was super overwhelmed.





You can get familiar with some of the features of DH2 here: https://drivehud.com/dh2-manual/



Video on creating a HUD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV4zxQQY5dY&t=1s



Support is really good if you have any questions:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../index253.html
Cheers for the info..

PT4 works fine.. I came from HEM2 which I loved, but PT4 seems so much more smoother in comparison..

Hand2note looks very good, but I don't want to have to spend ages making an HUD lol.. Even standard stats sometimes don't appear in the search so maybe I have to create them?
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03-16-2022 , 08:49 AM
Rake in split pots is an awfull feeling.
Better than losing the hand but meh.
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03-16-2022 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
Rake in split pots is an awfull feeling.

Better than losing the hand but meh.
True DAT..

Right. Can anyone shed some light on those players that cash out when AI with like 66 on T62r? I see this multiple times each day.. Even AA pre lol wtf man
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03-16-2022 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
hey guys, you've talked about jurojin a bunch so i looked into it

i have a ton of experience in software, particularly in the "freemium" model which jurojin follows, there's a very good chance some of you have used apps i've developed in the past

i have utterly no doubt that jurojin is mining your hand histories and selling them - you can see the recent posts in the thread to see the arguments behind it and judge for yourself

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-tool-1761561/

be careful out there
Any recommendations on a paid equivalent?
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03-16-2022 , 04:34 PM
jurojin is 2 yrs old but it's still technically early access. People might remember how buggy it was 1.5-1 yrs ago, but it's improved a lot. I'm really not bothered by that model and I'm sure when they offer some paid features many will sign up and that's how they'll make their money.
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03-16-2022 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
jurojin is 2 yrs old but it's still technically early access. People might remember how buggy it was 1.5-1 yrs ago, but it's improved a lot. I'm really not bothered by that model and I'm sure when they offer some paid features many will sign up and that's how they'll make their money.
3 years

teams of people don't work for free and anonymously for 3 years

look at all the timely updates, this isn't a hobbyist project

100% they've been making money off you just haven't disclosed how - it's especially important to consider that anyone capable of building software like that could be earning 6 figures a year in normal employement - you don't punt over a quarter million dollars in sklansky earnings working full time for a company until they figure it out and can start paying people

just incredibly naive to believe that is ever happening or possible
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03-16-2022 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
3 years

teams of people don't work for free and anonymously for 3 years

look at all the timely updates, this isn't a hobbyist project

100% they've been making money off you just haven't disclosed how

Since December, their major updates with bug fixes and new functionalities have been on

12/3/21
12/27/21
1/18/22
1/24/22
3/12/22


That's timely?

Assuming they are making money, you haven't really explained how or why we should care.
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03-16-2022 , 05:06 PM
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Since December, their major updates with bug fixes and new functionalities have been on

12/3/21
12/27/21
1/18/22
1/24/22
3/12/22


That's timely?

Assuming they are making money, you haven't really explained how or why we should care.
yes, that's a full time schedule, but sure, keep on disagreeing with someone who actually does this for a career over what you think the appropriate hours of work that requires

maybe you're ok with them mining your hand histories, but what if they are also keylogging and gathering crypto holdings info? what if they are relaying your hands to superusers as you are playing? the point is since they don't disclose, we literally have no idea if it's something benign like using your spare cpu cycles to mine dogecoin or something nefarious that will cost you your life savings
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03-17-2022 , 05:38 AM




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03-17-2022 , 08:58 AM
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hahahha how'd you find this? this is some damn good content
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03-17-2022 , 09:21 AM
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hahahha how'd you find this? this is some damn good content
it was just in my recommended videos. shame he only has 3 videos.
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03-17-2022 , 02:13 PM
ugh, here i was thnking newguyhere was that tourney smashing og
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03-17-2022 , 04:33 PM
Tbf newguy def a pimp
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03-18-2022 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
yes, that's a full time schedule, but sure, keep on disagreeing with someone who actually does this for a career over what you think the appropriate hours of work that requires

maybe you're ok with them mining your hand histories, but what if they are also keylogging and gathering crypto holdings info? what if they are relaying your hands to superusers as you are playing? the point is since they don't disclose, we literally have no idea if it's something benign like using your spare cpu cycles to mine dogecoin or something nefarious that will cost you your life savings
And you have zero proof to this I assume? I'm prety sure if juro did something shady someone would've spotted it and made some noice. Maybes and ifs doesn't cut it. And they can make money from donos fwiw. And lol come on now with that keylogging sheet. And rofl to that superusers sheet. You think stars gg or party fe have superusers? Come on now.
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03-18-2022 , 12:45 PM
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And you have zero proof to this I assume? I'm prety sure if juro did something shady someone would've spotted it and made some noice. Maybes and ifs doesn't cut it. And they can make money from donos fwiw. And lol come on now with that keylogging sheet. And rofl to that superusers sheet. You think stars gg or party fe have superusers? Come on now.
you missed my point entirely that since they don't disclose what it is they do we don't know for certain, but simply pushing this "we'll charge soon" nonsense from 3 years ago forced them to concede they do take hand histories

but yeah, i'm the douchebag trying to look out for the community

this team of people have been working full time and anonymously for the past three years out of the goodness of their hearts on a charity project for multi tabling regs because those people are so clearly in need of support and assistance...
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03-18-2022 , 04:12 PM
Some people refuse to believe the matrix even after you show it to them. Can't be saved.
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03-18-2022 , 07:59 PM
I agree with the sentiment @rickroll but I also agree that talking about superusing and keylogging is a bit of fearmongering. Jurojin has been around for 2 years, tons of winning regulars use it.

They aren't aiding superusers, to insinuate it's even possible seems just wrong.
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03-18-2022 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
I agree with the sentiment @rickroll but I also agree that talking about superusing and keylogging is a bit of fearmongering. Jurojin has been around for 2 years, tons of winning regulars use it.

They aren't aiding superusers, to insinuate it's even possible seems just wrong.
i think it'd be helpful to actually read what i wrote becfore trying to break it down

i pointed out their business model didn't make sense and they'd been lying about "releasing a paid version soon" for 3 years

this means they are certaintly doing something to make money to pay salaries for the team of devs and we don't know what it is - superusers was one of many examples and never a key argument nor a plausible situation just an example of the range from benign using spare cpu cycles to mine dogecoin to something far worse

in response they admitted they do indeed send back hh to their servers but said it was for bug checking which is just an absurd excuse they came up with because they were probably worried someone would read what i wrote and run a packet sniffer and then see that data is indeed getting sent to their servers so they wanted to have their bases covered if someone did that, think of it as a new version of the "we'll start charging soon"

what can i say, people want free software and are willing to close their eyes and ignore a ton of red flags and unknown levels of risk done by a group of individuals who choose to be anonymous - which is extremely unusual in itself

i feel like i've mentioned it in the relevant threads and from here on out am not going to put in any efforts to point out they are opening themselves up to the unknown when there exists safer alternatives for nominal costs
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03-18-2022 , 11:32 PM
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when there exists safer alternatives for nominal costs
I think you've been asked what those alternatives are, and I don't recall seeing an answer from you.
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03-19-2022 , 06:14 AM
Guys I've lived a **** life with many struggles.. Some (most?) Due to how I have chosen to live my life.. Living with depression and feeling **** when I open my eyes each day really takes it out of me.. I've met some good people on this forum since I joined back in 09 and want to say thanks to you all..

I'm at a stage in my life where I want to get the old me back.. Depression.. Anxiety.. Addiction to class A drugs have made me someone I simply don't recognise anymore.. But I'm making the right choices to be a better person.

My parents are old now - mom 76 with severe health issues and my dad is 80 with dimentia.. I haven't deserved a lot thats happened to me over the years, but having a community such as this and poker really has helped me.

Thanks again
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03-19-2022 , 09:21 AM
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Guys I've lived a **** life with many struggles.. Some (most?) Due to how I have chosen to live my life.. Living with depression and feeling **** when I open my eyes each day really takes it out of me.. I've met some good people on this forum since I joined back in 09 and want to say thanks to you all..

I'm at a stage in my life where I want to get the old me back.. Depression.. Anxiety.. Addiction to class A drugs have made me someone I simply don't recognise anymore.. But I'm making the right choices to be a better person.

My parents are old now - mom 76 with severe health issues and my dad is 80 with dimentia.. I haven't deserved a lot thats happened to me over the years, but having a community such as this and poker really has helped me.

Thanks again
Sorry to hear man, we all have a lot we deal with and the poker community has helped me as well. I wish you the best, keep moving forward in a positive direction and making those life changes one little step at a time, you'll get where you want to go.
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