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10-06-2008 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pheisar
Does anyone have gmans phone contact or something? If so, could you send him a msg telling him im online?
I am talking to him right now.
10-06-2008 , 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pheisar
Does anyone have gmans phone contact or something? If so, could you send him a msg telling him im online?
I'm here. What's up?
10-06-2008 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
well, the move itself could be +EV, but only slightly and the variance you welcome with it may cause the rest of your play to go down the tubes.
This weekend the play was super fishy, basically TPTK was good enough to get it in against a lot of these calling stations and bluffing addicts. I decided to put myself on "restrictive poker".

Basically I was a complete NIT from UTG/UTG+1. I flatted a lot with hands in LP, and didn't make any moves like mergining my 3betting range. I only cbet dry flop OOP, and only cbet HU, unless it was some fit or fold guys that check through to me. I would allow myself to stab at uncontested pots, but that was it. No 3barrelling, no squeezing from the blinds, no 4 betting light. I just vbet, vbet, vbet, or allow my villain to vbet themselves.

I felt extremely transparent, but when the play gets that bad, I think we throw away a lot of money thinking we shouldn't be transparent against these guys.
Yeah, I didn't say that right. It was more, the more moves you make that work the more you want to try and so you start seeing situations that appear to +EV that really aren't. Bluffing people who won't fold etc. That would be the addictive nature I'm talking about.

I love your restricted play. You basically describe how anyone can beat NL25 and below w/out a whole lot of variance. It's not going to be the highest winrate ever, but surely will work.
10-06-2008 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Teddie
for Full tilt?


Does anyone know what the best affiaate is? I know RB is 27% capped but what sites offer good extras? Also, does RB go directly into my tilt ac. or will it depend on the affialiate?
Deuces Cracked rakeback will give you a DC video subscription if you earn more than $500MGR in a month. I missed it this month because I was clearing the bonus but still cleared $116 in rakeback for 25k hands @ 50NL. DC will ship the money to your account on the 10th of each month.
10-06-2008 , 05:01 PM
Does shortstackers know anything we don't??


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $16.50
UTG+1: $46.00
MP1: $25.05
MP2: $95.15
CO: $21.45
Hero (BTN): $52.80
SB: $18.50
BB: $11.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with T 9
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) T 9 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, BB raises to $10 all in, Hero calls $6.75

Turn: ($23.25) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($23.25) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $23.25
Hero shows Tc 9h (two pair, Tens and Nines)
BB shows Kd Qc (a straight, King high)
BB wins $22.10
(Rake: $1.15)



Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $13.55
UTG+2: $96.30
MP1: $29.85
MP2: $16.80
CO: $10.00
BTN: $18.55
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $51.10
UTG: $10.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with K K
UTG raises to $1.20, 6 folds, Hero raises to $4.10, 1 fold, UTG raises to $10.95 all in, Hero calls $6.85

Flop: ($22.40) 8 J 6

Turn: ($22.40) 3

River: ($22.40) A

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $22.40
Hero shows Kd Kh (a pair of Kings)
UTG shows Js Jd (three of a kind, Jacks)
UTG wins $21.30
(Rake: $1.10)




Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $50.00
UTG+1: $10.45
MP1: $32.60
Hero (MP2): $52.35
CO: $10.50
BTN: $53.60
SB: $50.00
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP2 with A Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO raises to $10.50 all in, 3 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($21.75) K 4 2

Turn: ($21.75) 6

River: ($21.75) J

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $21.75
Hero shows As Qc (Ace King high)
CO shows Jd Ac (a pair of Jacks)
CO wins $20.70
(Rake: $1.05)
10-06-2008 , 06:07 PM
Hey guys I just got my internet working at uni, what did I miss
10-06-2008 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by notontilt09
++++ a million on the checking to induce at 50nl and below.

Bet the flop and check the turn, and 90% of players just assume you have complete air, and will call river bets w/ the worst hands.
I mean I check behind on the flop alot and bluff catch or raise and fire delayed cbets on the turn if they check. I don't check the turn too often against donks when I have a hand because we make money because they call to much so why not let them call?
10-06-2008 , 07:19 PM
man, got KK three times today, and everytime someone had AA.
10-06-2008 , 08:38 PM
I folded KK for the first time PF today from a 4bet UTG by a 9/4 with no ATS over 3000 hands. The no ATS gave me the idea that he's not 4betting AK? Goddamnit I need to upgrade to a HUD with a 3bet stat.

Don't know whether this is a beat or a brag, but I suppose I reduced variance.
10-06-2008 , 09:01 PM
THought I'd share a few songs from a group I haven't even though of in almost 15yrs...

Portishead-Sour times
http://www.jango.com/stations/10/tun...&song_id=54029

Portishead-Numb
http://www.jango.com/stations/144407...&song_id=54065
10-06-2008 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by oober
THought I'd share a few songs from a group I haven't even though of in almost 15yrs...

Portishead-Sour times
http://www.jango.com/stations/10/tun...&song_id=54029

Portishead-Numb
http://www.jango.com/stations/144407...&song_id=54065
yeh portishead is amazing, one of my fave bands definitely
10-06-2008 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hackers238
I folded KK for the first time PF today from a 4bet UTG by a 9/4 with no ATS over 3000 hands. The no ATS gave me the idea that he's not 4betting AK? Goddamnit I need to upgrade to a HUD with a 3bet stat.

Don't know whether this is a beat or a brag, but I suppose I reduced variance.
He's not four betting with anything other than AA or KK. Why would you need a HUD to tell you that?
10-06-2008 , 09:20 PM
portishead are scary
10-06-2008 , 10:22 PM
So I just did a sweat for a NL $10 player. serious question for the NL $10 players:

When you read posts and comments from the higher limit players talking about taking down pots with continuation bets when they miss the flop, do you think they live in some strange, bizarre universe in which c-bets actually work?
10-06-2008 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
So I just did a sweat for a NL $10 player. serious question for the NL $10 players:

When you read posts and comments from the higher limit players talking about taking down pots with continuation bets when they miss the flop, do you think they live in some strange, bizarre universe in which c-bets actually work?


10nl and Cbets does not compute..
Actually I think a lot of times a high Cbet % is a slight spew at this limit.

The reason I know this?
Well bad run (breakeven) and slightly burnt out (but can't quit 13mo of ironman, ya I know) has me spending a lot of time there lately (ya I like to be tortured).

Anyways, I have been Cbetting about 50-65% and it is much more effective then 80+% on my winrate.

Last edited by oober; 10-06-2008 at 10:30 PM.
10-06-2008 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by oober
10nl and Cbets does not compute..
?

I thought 10NL = "The flop and my hand don't match, I fold."
10-06-2008 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
?

I thought 10NL = "The flop and my hand don't match, I fold."
This made me giggle. TY
10-06-2008 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
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I thought 10NL = "The flop and my hand don't match, I fold."
I don't know. It had been a while since I played $10. I thought they played fit or fold, too. Tonight we had maybe a 15% success rate with c-bets.
10-06-2008 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I don't know. It had been a while since I played $10. I thought they played fit or fold, too. Tonight we had maybe a 15% success rate with c-bets.

I have actually seen some floating (even though most of these players probably don't know the term), but I have looked plenty up with 2nd pair just to find complete air in villians hands, not even a missed draw (unless you call backdoor draws missed draws, I think some of them think there is a 6th and 7th street yet to come)...

Check to allow bluffs on river does very well here also, IP or OOP...
10-06-2008 , 10:54 PM
I must say that taking a shot at 50NL + boomswitch = amazing.
10-06-2008 , 11:05 PM
puke session
10-06-2008 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
I must say that taking a shot at 50NL + boomswitch = amazing.
Congrats man!
10-07-2008 , 12:42 AM
for some reason FTP won't remove my ironman chip and it is really TILTING ME.
10-07-2008 , 12:43 AM
I am absolutely convinced of this one fact - I think it must be mathematically proveable.

That the higher your long-term winrate - the less variable your winrate will be in absolute terms. As my winrate has gradually improved my variance is steadily dropping.

Shame I am not a gun mathematician otherwise I would attempt to prove it. I think I read an archived thread about it..... and ever since I have focussed on not letting variance be an excuse but have seen it as a possible symptom of poor play or leaks.

The first 20K of 50NL in October I am running @ ~ 7ptbb/100 and there has been little or no variance. I have actually employed a whole series of routines in my poker life that seem to have quite significantly reduced my vulnerability to tilt and optimise my performance. I am hoping this is not above-average variance and I am not running good because its really satisfying at the moment.

So if you are running bad I hope that cheers you up.
10-07-2008 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
I am absolutely convinced of this one fact - I think it must be mathematically proveable.

That the higher your long-term winrate - the less variable your winrate will be in absolute terms.
Ya dude, that's defo what the math says.

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The first 20K of 50NL in October I am running @ ~ 7ptbb/100 and there has been little or no variance.
That's great! A word of warning though, I have run at a higher winrate for almost as many hands in the middle of my 100k+ hand 80bi downswing.

      
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