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10-05-2009 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aggo
so you run above EV, and dont believe in it?

Are you just using it as a mechanism to hide flaws in your game because psychologically you refuse to believe you're not as good as your EV says you are?
i believe in the concept, i just have a hard time believing that its calculated correctly by the software that i use, because my own results would be off of the standard deviation chart. i know my game has flaws either way, and i'm not very delusional/egotistical about it.
10-05-2009 , 10:18 PM
I have this ridiculous whale at my table on FTP, he is 70/3

He has 6 buy ins in front of him and I can't beat him for 1 stinking pot
10-05-2009 , 10:20 PM
Well the problem with it is you can be getting it in correctly and still be getting it in bad. In other words you can be running up against the top of your opponent's range for a given hand set. There is no way that I know of to show that.
10-05-2009 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
i believe in the concept, i just have a hard time believing that its calculated correctly by the software that i use, because my own results would be off of the standard deviation chart. i know my game has flaws either way, and i'm not very delusional/egotistical about it.
I actually had a hand where it was -EV to get it in with AA preflop... wtf.
10-05-2009 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
I actually had a hand where it was -EV to get it in with AA preflop... wtf.
?
10-05-2009 , 10:21 PM
Check this out guys, this is truthfully the craziest session I have ever played. 3-4 tabling (708 hands), playing my A/B- game over a few hours (eventually stopped after telling myself I wasn't tilting but there's a 0% chance I could be playing optimally after this, gg stoploss and sticking with it).

Here we go (sorting by biggest losses, since it's easier):

Had just stacked villain with TPNK (that's what the chat was about). It felt like he was maybe a higher stakes player dropping down for whatever reasons because he was making moves that I never see at NL10. He was playing ultra aggro but not stupidly. Couple of observers were watching too, no idea why.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $20.65
Hero (BTN): $19.90
SB: $9.75
BB: $10.00
UTG: $16.15
MP: $4.00

MP posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is BTN with 2 2
CO says "nh", Hero says "ty, thought you had a 7 ", 1 fold, MP checks, CO says "didnt think ud push with only 9's", CO says "kinda pissed at myself", CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, MP calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.05) 2 K 8 (3 players)
Hero says "yeah, i almost folded the turn", MP checks, CO bets $1, Hero raises to $3, MP folds, CO raises to $20.35 all in, Hero calls $16.60 all in

Turn: ($40.25) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($40.25) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $40.25
CO shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero shows 2 2 (three of a kind, Deuces)
CO wins $38.25
(Rake: $2.00)

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Normally I'd raise the flop but UTG raiser had basically an overpair or AK here and I was going to 3bet him if he raised, so I just flatted in the middle hoping he'd raise.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: $10.20
CO: $10.25
BTN: $18.10
SB: $15.10
Hero (BB): $10.15
UTG: $8.70

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 3 3
UTG raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 4 9 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, UTG folds

Turn: ($1.50) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $1.90

River: ($6.50) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $12 all in, Hero calls $7.05 all in

Final Pot: $20.60
SB shows 6 5 (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Hero shows 3 3 (three of a kind, Threes)
SB wins $19.60
(Rake: $1.00)

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Villain was easily the worst at the table, donated multiple stacked to others.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $27.10
Hero (MP): $19.90
CO: $3.10
BTN: $23.75
SB: $10.00
BB: $5.20

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 3 3
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) 3 Q 9 (3 players)
BB bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, Hero raises to $2.15, BB calls $1.85, UTG folds

Turn: ($5.85) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.80, BB calls $2.65 all in

River: ($11.15) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $11.15
Hero shows 3 3 (a full house, Threes full of Queens)
BB shows A 9 (a full house, Nines full of Queens)
BB wins $10.65
(Rake: $0.50)

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Pretty nitty player. Figured this flop smashes his call PF range and he happened to have a set there would be no problem getting it in on the turn if I spike my flush.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $16.30
BB: $11.00
UTG: $13.15
MP: $10.00
Hero (CO): $14.35
BTN: $11.40

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with T J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 2 8 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.90) K (3 players)
SB bets $0.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.15, SB raises to $4.20, Hero raises to $13.80, SB raises to $16 all in, Hero calls $0.25 all in

River: ($29.00) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $29.00
SB shows 3 A (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows T J (a flush, King high)
SB wins $27.55
(Rake: $1.45)

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I was raising a ton, probably running 40/35 over 20 hands. They let me, so I didn't change. They always folded PF.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $15.40
SB: $12.40
BB: $8.70
Hero (UTG): $11.15
MP: $10.15
CO: $5.90

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.40, MP raises to $1.40, 4 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($2.95) Q 5 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3, Hero raises to $6, MP raises to $8.75 all in, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($20.45) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20.45) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $20.45
Hero shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
MP shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
MP wins $19.45
(Rake: $1.00)

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Had reason to peel the flop (good equity), good villains to do this vs.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.90
MP: $11.85
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $10.00
SB: $5.60
BB: $12.30

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 5 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30) K 5 9 (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($2.20) A (3 players)
SB bets $4.90 all in, MP calls $4.90, Hero raises to $9.30 all in, MP calls $4.40

River: ($25.70) T (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $25.70
MP shows T A (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Hero shows 5 A (two pair, Aces and Fives)
SB shows 4 6 (high card Ace)
MP wins $8.35
MP wins $16.10
(Rake: $1.25)

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Then I had AQ and the worst player at the table from the first hand (when I had 33 vs his A9) called OOP with AK. Flop was AJ3, 2 tone. He donked about half pot, I called, then he half potted a blank turn so I shipped and he had AK (the one time ) but it was only 50bbs.

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Graph wise this is what it comes out to.



I especially like how the graph reflects my thought process.

380ish, wee almost up to break even let's turn around this session.
440ish, awesome I'm just about there.
441ish, uhh...
630ish, time to consider stopping.
695ish, yeah uncheck auto post blinds and gtfo.
10-05-2009 , 10:22 PM
Let me try to find it, it was sometime last month.
10-05-2009 , 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksight3
Your hourly would be better if you simply worked on your game and moved up
I do this for a living, and my hourly at 25nl atm is pretty nice with rb 24 tabling.
I have to cashout every month to pay rent bills etc so its hard to move up fast.
What kinda limits you play/how many tables/ hourly ?
If you play something like 50nl we can make a friendly side bet who makes the most $$$ with bonuses this month.
I'm only going to play 25nl this month.
Not talking huge something like $100-$200, interested ?
10-05-2009 , 10:26 PM
either way at the end of the day it doesn't really mean sht b/c the sample is going to be too small and there are sooo many variables to skew data
10-05-2009 , 10:29 PM
this fish is so gross


his fold to cbet is 5%!! (280 hands)

I have flopped top pair against him once, trips once, and a set once(out of about 40 pots played together)

He folded on the flop all three times
10-05-2009 , 10:29 PM
The EV posted is -$0.52


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.60
Hero (MP): $13.20
CO: $10.65
BTN: $15.20
SB: $7.45
BB: $2.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $13.20 all in, BB calls $1.45 all in

Flop: ($4.35) 4 T J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($4.35) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.35) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)
10-05-2009 , 10:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMK84
I do this for a living, and my hourly at 25nl atm is pretty nice with rb 24 tabling.
I have to cashout every month to pay rent bills etc so its hard to move up fast.
What kinda limits you play/how many tables/ hourly ?
If you play something like 50nl we can make a friendly side bet who makes the most $$$ with bonuses this month.
I'm only going to play 25nl this month.
Not talking huge something like $100-$200, interested ?
Betting on who makes the most money is a bit -EV for me because no matter how much I would like to I can't put too much volume in.

iyam you're better off getting a regular job while working on your poker game.

If you continue what you're doing, you're basically telling me you're going to grind 25NL for life unless you're making more per month than how much you cash out, in which case the above would still solve.

Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
this fish is so gross


his fold to cbet is 5%!!

I have flopped top pair against him once, trips once, and a set once

He folded on the flop all three times
LMAO. But seriously...this happens to me all the time. Fish calls everyone else with like bottom pair, but never calls me whenever I have TP+
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
The EV posted is -$0.52


Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $10.60
Hero (MP): $13.20
CO: $10.65
BTN: $15.20
SB: $7.45
BB: $2.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $13.20 all in, BB calls $1.45 all in

Flop: ($4.35) 4 T J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($4.35) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.35) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Is it counting your overbet or something I'm confused
10-05-2009 , 10:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
this fish is so gross


his fold to cbet is 5%!!

I have flopped top pair against him once, trips once, and a set once

He folded on the flop all three times
He can read your soul...
10-05-2009 , 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksight3

Is it counting your overbet or something I'm confused
No idea man, but I swear to you guys it's -0.52 in the EV... proof imo.
10-05-2009 , 10:48 PM
good news

the fish gave me action


but he flopped a straight to my set lol
10-05-2009 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by subs
im convinced that EV in these programs doesnt mean dick... i wish everyone would stop posting graphs with them
I agree and \/\/\/\/ that is why

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian J
Well the problem with it is you can be getting it in correctly and still be getting it in bad. In other words you can be running up against the top of your opponent's range for a given hand set. There is no way that I know of to show that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by VithelTone
He can read your soul...
Is his sn POTRIPPER?
10-05-2009 , 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
good news

the fish gave me action


but he flopped a straight to my set lol
Wow skraper, run badder.
10-05-2009 , 10:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksight3
Betting on who makes the most money is a bit -EV for me because no matter how much I would like to I can't put too much volume in.

iyam you're better off getting a regular job while working on your poker game.
I make $25-$40/hr at 25nl,I'm my own boss, and set my own hours... thanks for the advice, but I think i'll stick to the quarter for a while.
I don't plan on staying at 25nl for live either lol
I review my big hands on weekly basis, and try to improve, besides quarter is so easy you can make a lot by playing solid abc poker.
10-05-2009 , 10:52 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($12.07)
Hero ($11.18)
UTG ($2.88)
UTG+1 ($6.93)
CO ($17.18)
BTN ($21.72)

Dealt to Hero T 8

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.90) 7 T 9

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.90, [color=red]SB raises to $2.70, Hero ???

SB was an aggressive tag at 24/20/3.1 with 17% 3b over 140 hands

I had Gateswi's favorite hand so I knew I couldn't fold pre. I considered a squeeze but tbh I was getting lazy about this point so I don't think I considered it enough.
10-05-2009 , 11:00 PM
well obv I'm going to tell you to shove
10-05-2009 , 11:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMK84
I make $25-$40/hr at 25nl,I'm my own boss, and set my own hours... thanks for the advice, but I think i'll stick to the quarter for a while.
I don't plan on staying at 25nl for live either lol
I review my big hands on weekly basis, and try to improve, besides quarter is so easy you can make a lot by playing solid abc poker.
Uh you beat 25NL 24 tabling at 5.5bb-9bb/100???

Wtf?
10-05-2009 , 11:00 PM
I'd fold
10-05-2009 , 11:01 PM
Fold.
10-05-2009 , 11:01 PM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $34.55
Hero (UTG): $25.80
CO: $20.75
BTN: $30.85
SB: $25.80

CO posts a big blind ($0.25)

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.00) 6 9 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

Turn: ($7.00) J (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero raises to $10, SB raises to $22.55 all in, Hero calls $12.55 all in

River: ($52.10) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $52.10
Hero shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
SB shows 8 T (a straight, Eight to Queen)
SB wins $50.10
(Rake: $2.00)
10-05-2009 , 11:01 PM
Actually our spot isn't so good because if someone has QJ than we are boned

      
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