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05-28-2008 , 02:19 PM
Hey Rapid,

would u be up to start a "Play a hand against me" Thread? Seems like a lot of people are starting to ask about these deep stack tables on Full Tilt and how one should respond.
05-28-2008 , 03:17 PM
Want to play enough hands next month to get silver on Stars at NL25, I figure it will be roughly 12k give or take. Problem is job/family/life takes over in the evenings. Seriously considering playing in the wee AM hours, like 4-6am eastern US time, this would be late morning early afternoon European time I believe. Anyone play at that time on Stars? Competition about the same? Can I get on 6-8 decent tables?

Thanks
05-28-2008 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptVimes
Want to play enough hands next month to get silver on Stars at NL25, I figure it will be roughly 12k give or take. Problem is job/family/life takes over in the evenings. Seriously considering playing in the wee AM hours, like 4-6am eastern US time, this would be late morning early afternoon European time I believe. Anyone play at that time on Stars? Competition about the same? Can I get on 6-8 decent tables?

Thanks
100nl tables are horrible, 50 are mediocre and 25 are always good looking i think.
05-28-2008 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hackers238
I'm pretty much just like you! Started in December, currently overrolled for NL25, but still learning all the time and took a whopping at NL50 in my first shot. If you're slow, I'm slower.

Totally agree about the money thing too... although it's starting to get significant now
Quote:
Originally Posted by SammyG-SD
I am in sort of the same boat as u 2. Since I withdrew and reworked my game, (got rid of my FPS), I have been hanging out at NL25, but feel like my game is a little stangant. With all the easy stacks on there, and the tight-passive players, its doesn't take a lot of thinking to grind out a win rate. Just value bet the stations, bluff the nits, and call the maniacs. I could move back up to NL50 where I have had mixed results, but I am not sure how much my winrate will decrease. Over this last stretch its been a fairly consistent 7.6ptBB/100, plus my rakeback is around 1.8BB/100. I could move up to NL50 and my rakeback should about double, but who knows about my winrate. I thought about just getting sick overrolled for NL50, and at the sametime try to add more tables, which will help my hourly rate but will continue to stunt my poker growth.(currently I am at 8 tables and feel comfortable at it). I don't think its good to completely skip a level and go right to NL100, as you need to learn to beat all games, but a lot of people have suggested that NL50 is just a weird nit fest that is hard to get a decent win rate at.

Plus I probably need to learn to win with AKs (I have no idea why that is a slight loser for me, when my other premium hands are so positive).
I just got PT about half way through April. I was running at a solid 4+/PTBB for May through May 15th, then had a downswing for about 4 days that trashed my win rate. (It's positive again, but miserable.)

I really want a good solid month at $25 before I move up.

I feel like one of my biggest leaks is letting lags run over me. How can you put these people on a hand with that kind of range? It makes it tough to push small edges.

Also, the tilt issues that are hard to get a grip on when running bad; playing weak tight, or playing back because there's just no way these people are hitting harder on every hand.

I does still seem like I run into AHA moments about once a week. So, these are my reasons, (excuses?) despite the fact that I have over 30 buy ins for $50. (Also, I've gone both ways when taking shots before, run like God, or run like crap. God mode was all before PT, after PT about 7,500 hands at $50, down about 4/PTBB.)

The $50 tables are always tempting though!

Sammy, you have got to be ready with that kind of win rate. Just do it. I'll join you in July.
05-28-2008 , 03:37 PM
I'm attacking NL50 on FTP to clear this bonus. I'm going hud-less and taking no prisoners.
05-28-2008 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
After much retooling and such I finally have 100k hands in a database!! *dances*



About 1/2 of this is 100 with the rest being a various mix of 25, 50, and 200.
That is one pretty graph Rapid....congrats. My graph for this month looks more like a ride at a Six Flags park.
05-28-2008 , 04:03 PM
6 Flags is the bomb-diggity. and thanks!!

Sammy, what are the deep-stacked tables at FTP? I haven't been there in a long time. I had a lot of fun doing that the last time, and if I can find a good deep hand (I think I have one or 2) then I'd love to do one.
05-28-2008 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
6 Flags is the bomb-diggity. and thanks!!

Sammy, what are the deep-stacked tables at FTP? I haven't been there in a long time. I had a lot of fun doing that the last time, and if I can find a good deep hand (I think I have one or 2) then I'd love to do one.
FTP started offering tables awhile ago were you could buyin in for up to 200BB. They are the same limits but have (deep) next to the table name.
05-28-2008 , 04:11 PM
Its 200BB max, 60BB min...and I would say more than half the tables buy-in for the max.


I have been doing well buying in for 100BB in them, since people are playing 200BB strategy against me and I get good value from my hands. Also by the time I get deepish, I know the good deepstack players from the bad.
05-28-2008 , 04:18 PM
I imagine that adjusting in those tables can be a pain in the ass. With a standard gap of 140BB between effective stacks, play can get downright kooky.
05-28-2008 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ship_it_trebek
I'm attacking NL50 on FTP to clear this bonus. I'm going hud-less and taking no prisoners.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!
05-28-2008 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
I imagine that adjusting in those tables can be a pain in the ass. With a standard gap of 140BB between effective stacks, play can get downright kooky.
at the NL25 table limits, its actually just trying to figure out who is goot, who is ABC, who is horrible. Then you just need to determine if the good (better than average) players adjust for stacksize (usually no). What gets hard is that your hands can get transparent very easily since the VPIP is a lot higher. If your in LP, you may need to stick in very large raise with your permium hands to thin the crowd....plays a little more like a live game.
05-28-2008 , 04:25 PM
Today I TRULY realized how futile small hand samples are...

Was playing a reg who I remembered as 16/12 after 500 hands but turns out hes 12/7 over 5k hands now... wow
05-28-2008 , 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
I imagine that adjusting in those tables can be a pain in the ass. With a standard gap of 140BB between effective stacks, play can get downright kooky.
Yeah....I tried to mix and match the regular tables with the deep and it was driving me crazy try to adjust back and forth between tables.
05-28-2008 , 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedle
Today I TRULY realized how futile small hand samples are...

Was playing a reg who I remembered as 16/12 after 500 hands but turns out hes 12/7 over 5k hands now... wow
Bad memory?
05-28-2008 , 04:31 PM
*checks his PT* Okay, speedle isn't talking about my nitty ass.
05-28-2008 , 04:31 PM
No, I usually engrave in my memory the stats of a certain avatar which seems solid.
05-28-2008 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!
I held to my promise and unleashed my inner LAG.

05-28-2008 , 05:31 PM
50NL spanked, imo
05-28-2008 , 05:59 PM
How much would you guys have 3bet here? I wanted one of them to call, so didn't 3bet enough pre, imo. But...HOLLA!

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP1: $62.30
MP2: $97.90
CO: $62.00
BTN: $57.50
Hero (SB): $131.80
BB: $37.80
UTG: $75.80
UTG+1: $101.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($31.00) Q A 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $19, CO calls $19, BTN raises to $47.50 all in, Hero calls $28.50, CO calls $28.50

Turn: ($173.50) K (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $4.50 all in

River: ($182.50) 4

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $182.50
CO shows Ac Jd (a pair of Aces)
BTN shows 6s 6h (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows Ah Ad (three of a kind, Aces)
05-28-2008 , 06:04 PM
Probably to like $12.
05-28-2008 , 06:07 PM
my standard for 3betting is 3.5x + 1 for every caller, so ~$13.5

vnh btw.

Also, I remember you saying that you finally moved back up to 50NL; how's that working out for you?
05-28-2008 , 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knn05
How much would you guys have 3bet here? I wanted one of them to call, so didn't 3bet enough pre, imo. But...HOLLA!

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP1: $62.30
MP2: $97.90
CO: $62.00
BTN: $57.50
Hero (SB): $131.80
BB: $37.80
UTG: $75.80
UTG+1: $101.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($31.00) Q A 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $19, CO calls $19, BTN raises to $47.50 all in, Hero calls $28.50, CO calls $28.50

Turn: ($173.50) K (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $4.50 all in

River: ($182.50) 4

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $182.50
CO shows Ac Jd (a pair of Aces)
BTN shows 6s 6h (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows Ah Ad (three of a kind, Aces)
My standard here is between 10 and 13 depending on how likely I think the person first to act will call. I think the hand woulda been 10x funnier if CO folded river. Well done sir!
05-28-2008 , 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knn05
How much would you guys have 3bet here? I wanted one of them to call, so didn't 3bet enough pre, imo. But...HOLLA!

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP1: $62.30
MP2: $97.90
CO: $62.00
BTN: $57.50
Hero (SB): $131.80
BB: $37.80
UTG: $75.80
UTG+1: $101.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN calls $3, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, CO calls $7, BTN calls $7

Flop: ($31.00) Q A 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $19, CO calls $19, BTN raises to $47.50 all in, Hero calls $28.50, CO calls $28.50

Turn: ($173.50) K (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $4.50 all in

River: ($182.50) 4

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $182.50
CO shows Ac Jd (a pair of Aces)
BTN shows 6s 6h (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows Ah Ad (three of a kind, Aces)

IMO, both villians should be on your XMAS card list....
05-28-2008 , 07:06 PM
can anyone explain what this check mark business is for the rating of certain threads? also, trebek you are a beast

      
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