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03-30-2010 , 01:01 PM

#4876

dcredskins24

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,056

Quote:

Originally Posted by EATITPAL

Like or no like?
MP was 14/14 fairly tight and CO was big fish that i was trying to iso by 3bing

jamming turn really isnt necessary...

03-30-2010 , 01:03 PM

#4877

skraper

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10,241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian J

Had my first small losing session in 2 weeks, had been making the EV line my bitch and now I'm bummed though i really shouldn't be

Weird hand. 5c6c from bb. MP limps, btn isos, i call and MP calls. Stacks are 120bb deep.

flop is 4hJd7c. flop goes check check check.

Turn is a 4c. now I have oesfd. Co bets 100% pot, btn raises to 3x pot. I fold... Co calls

River is 8x. Co shoves, btn calls, I am annoyed because both have bare 4.

But i think fold is 100% standard b/c Co can come back over the top of the turn raise?

The fold is 100% standard preflop

03-30-2010 , 01:08 PM

#4878

EATITPAL

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,047

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

jamming turn really isnt necessary...

Why not?
Wanted to maximise FE, i assumed he would fold anything that isnt TT+

03-30-2010 , 01:11 PM

#4879

GOONERCAM

Resident Rollbuster

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,994

Quote:

Originally Posted by EATITPAL

Like or no like?
MP was 14/14 fairly tight and CO was big fish that i was trying to iso by 3bing

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($8.40)
BB ($30.08)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($35.09)
CO ($14.47)
Hero ($35.23)

Dealt to Hero Q

A

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $2.40, fold

FLOP ($7.70) 8

T

2

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5.50, UTG+1 calls $5.50

TURN ($18.70) 8

T

2

J

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $26.48 (AI), UTG+1 folds

Hero shows Q

A

Hero wins $17.77

yeah i like

03-30-2010 , 01:12 PM

#4880

dcredskins24

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,056

Quote:

Originally Posted by EATITPAL

Why not?
Wanted to maximise FE, i assumed he would fold anything that isnt TT+

you're both deep enough that a standard bet leaves enough behind, plus it gives the illusion of FE.

I mean what range are you honestly jamming in this spot? are you really jamming sets and 2p in this spot?

03-30-2010 , 01:18 PM

#4881

EATITPAL

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 5,047

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

you're both deep enough that a standard bet leaves enough behind, plus it gives the illusion of FE.

I mean what range are you honestly jamming in this spot? are you really jamming sets and 2p in this spot?

No true, i dont have many sets in my range but he probably doesnt know that. Although i guess i do considering the fish.

03-30-2010 , 01:18 PM

#4882

Swiiftx

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,991

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

you're both deep enough that a standard bet leaves enough behind, plus it gives the illusion of FE.

I mean what range are you honestly jamming in this spot? are you really jamming sets and 2p in this spot?

He's not repping 2pairs, hes repping monster draws + overpairs, AJ and sets too.

03-30-2010 , 01:19 PM

#4883

dcredskins24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiiftx

He's not repping 2pairs, hes repping monster draws + overpairs, AJ and sets too.

I'm def not overbet shoving sets, AJ or overpairs, or really anything on that turn.

03-30-2010 , 01:21 PM

#4884

fattony7891

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RU18LOL

lol no i live in dublin

Represent!

Galway boy, here

03-30-2010 , 01:29 PM

#4885

Swiiftx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

I'm def not overbet shoving sets, AJ or overpairs, or really anything on that turn.

I guess it depends on the situation, some situatiopns I'd definitely shove overpairs n sets.

03-30-2010 , 01:39 PM

#4886

aggo

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10,422

i want to crush april.

03-30-2010 , 01:39 PM

#4887

GOONERCAM

Resident Rollbuster

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,994

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

you're both deep enough that a standard bet leaves enough behind, plus it gives the illusion of FE

I mean what range are you honestly jamming in this spot? are you really jamming sets and 2p in this spot?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcredskins24

I'm def not overbet shoving sets, AJ or overpairs, or really anything on that turn.

we don't have a made hand here, we're trying to increase our fold equity and get our money in behind but when we have the most equity. the pot is $19 and we have $26.50, there really is so little room to make a standard bet. also why would we want to give the illusion of FE? we only have A high.

we can definitely credibly rep overpairs, and less likely sets given how the board texture is starting to coordinate a bunch, and even if we're called by sets/2 pair, we still have 14/15 winners, although his only likely combos of these are JJ/TT/JT.

03-30-2010 , 01:45 PM

#4888

dcredskins24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GOONERCAM

we don't have a made hand here, we're trying to increase our fold equity and get our money in behind but when we have the most equity. the pot is $19 and we have $26.50, there really is so little room to make a standard bet. also why would we want to give the illusion of FE? we only have A high.

we can definitely credibly rep overpairs, and less likely sets given how the board texture is starting to coordinate a bunch, and even if we're called by sets/2 pair, we still have 14/15 winners, although his only likely combos of these are JJ/TT/JT.

because he knows he will still have to call another barrel. I dont know, I feel that making a smaller than psb bet does the same thing as jamming turn and imo is a more credible line...

I might be wrong here, but I just think jamming actual looks like we are trying to create FE and doesnt make sense for our perceived range. If we make a standard bet I think our perceived range makes a lot more sense. Not to mention I'm sure there are a number of underpairs in his range which c/c and are likely c/f to a lot of turn cards(coincidentally this is a great turn for both our hand and to not help a lot of villains range).

Last edited by dcredskins24; 03-30-2010 at 01:49 PM. Reason: also its not like villain is some loose passive fish, given stats hes probably just a bad nit...

03-30-2010 , 01:47 PM

#4889

sl8a

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,316

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggo

i want to crush april.

Honestly April's gunna raped like an Albanian bitch.

03-30-2010 , 01:49 PM

#4890

GOONERCAM

Resident Rollbuster

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,994

what betsize would you make it then, out of interest? also obviously, this card is awesome both for our actual hand, our perceived range and our hand v villain's range.

whilst i do see your point, i think its more applicable deeper, and above NL25. i'm confident we don't need to worry about balancing our range so i think we can definitely tailor make betsizes to suit our needs

03-30-2010 , 01:51 PM

#4891

dcredskins24

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,056

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOONERCAM

what betsize would you make it then, out of interest? also obviously, this card is awesome both for our actual hand, our perceived range and our hand v villain's range.

whilst i do see your point, i think its more applicable deeper, and above NL25. i'm confident we don't need to worry about balancing our range so i think we can definitely tailor make betsizes to suit our needs

yea, maybe I'm just thinking about the hand too much.

ehh probably something like 14ish or so on the turn...

03-30-2010 , 01:53 PM

#4892

fattony7891

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6,158

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggo

i want to crush april.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl8a

Honestly April's gunna raped like an Albanian bitch.

03-30-2010 , 02:18 PM

#4893

Ksight3

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 15,465

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggo

i want to crush april.

I need to crush April -_-

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Anyone want a Regs game? I need to take a shower and eat I'll be ready in 30

03-30-2010 , 02:29 PM

#4894

absolutefish

BBV champion

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,826

Ryan, I posted in Regs thread. I'll be around at some point, just not sure when.

Who else is down for a game?

The last one had a pretty special 700+bb pot.

03-30-2010 , 02:31 PM

#4895

absolutefish

BBV champion

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7,826

Here it is.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

rockstar821 (BB): $11.65
kidacao (UTG): $35.10
EATITPAL (MP): $23.65
27felted (CO): $31.05
Hero (BTN): $41.10
I TAKE MANEY (SB): $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7

9

kidacao raises to $0.30, 27felted says "are u running hot or just that good?", EATITPAL raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, Hero says "im terrible", 2 folds, kidacao calls $0.70

Flop: ($3.15) 7

T

2

(3 players)
kidacao checks, EATITPAL bets $3, Hero raises to $10.50, kidacao raises to $34.10 all in, EATITPAL folds, Hero calls $23.60

Turn: ($74.35) 7

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($74.35) 3

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $74.35
kidacao shows T

T

(a full house, Tens full of Sevens)
Hero mucks 7

9

kidacao wins $71.35
(Rake: $3.00)

03-30-2010 , 02:54 PM

#4896

aggo

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i just wanna crush april because i think i broke through a few huge leaks/theory issues in march, thats all

03-30-2010 , 03:01 PM

#4897

Ksight3

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Did you just call me Ryan? o.O

03-30-2010 , 03:02 PM

#4898

Youngplayer9

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RU18LOL

lol no i live in dublin

oh lol, well then...ignore everything i said

03-30-2010 , 03:19 PM

#4899

JackOfPain

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,258

feeling pretty f'd up because of the dexter season ending, ffs

03-30-2010 , 03:24 PM

#4900

Simonlal

adept

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,083

He snapped obv.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
Hero ($47.04)
BB ($27.25)
UTG ($24.65)
CO ($25)
BTN ($46.25)

Dealt to Hero A

K

fold, CO raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.25, fold, CO raises to $9, fold, Hero raises to $47.04 (AI), CO calls $16 (AI)

FLOP ($51.10) 2

6

J

TURN ($51.10) 2

6

J

6

RIVER ($51.10) 2

6

J

6

J

Hero shows A

K

(Pre 47%, Flop 5.2%, Turn 0.0%)

CO shows 2

2

(Pre 53%, Flop 94.8%, Turn 100.0%)

CO wins $48.55

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