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*** Official January 2010 BBV Thread *** *** Official January 2010 BBV Thread ***

01-05-2010 , 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
If villain is aggro he's probably barreling his entire range, so I'd x/ship on a blank turn for value because they tend to not fold draws. If he checks behind, then I'd check/call non draw completing rivers and bet/fold more drawy rivers.
why are you b/f more draw heavy rivers?
01-05-2010 , 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
why are you b/f more draw heavy rivers?
If it's a drawy river it's unclear if he hit his draw or not because there are multiple draws possible. So you bet for value against a thin range of worse Kx or QQ or something along those lines, and in addition it prevents you from being bluffed by missed draws (unlikely he will shove with his missed draws as a bluff). If it's drawy and we check we allow him to valuebet us with his made draws or check and we win the minimum with his missed draws and worse Kx.

If we bet on river we'll never be called by his missed draws, and very little worse will call so it's way too thin. It's more +ev to check and let him bluff missed draws or valuebet worse. When in doubt on whether or not a vbet is too thin, let the villain decide.
01-05-2010 , 11:26 PM
I know the spew!
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $42.85
Hero (BTN): $43.70
SB: $33.65
BB: $25.65
UTG: $22.85

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75) 6 4 7 (2 players)
SB bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($10.25) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.25) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7

Final Pot: $24.25
Hero shows A J (a flush, Jack high)
SB shows J K (a flush, King high)
SB wins $23.10
(Rake: $1.15)
01-05-2010 , 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ksight3
More on this later

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I would've actually gotten my entire bonus, except my mom came by and I missed my last $20 by ~50 FTP points
OK so my session started with NL50, and then I was like "oh sh*t I only have an hour to clear my bonus!"

So I start playing NL100 instead of NL50.
My mom comes trolling and she's all "Blah blah blah. Let me see your grades. OK now go to your financial aid stuff. Blah blah blah stop sucking in school"
(Huh? I have a 3.5 at one of the best private universities. FU Asian parents)

So I had to quit my sesh, then restart, which made me miss my last $20 in bonus.



So now I'm really pissed, because I ran bad this entire month so far, and also missed my last bonus. I'm like F it lets NL100



Really soft, there were a ton of fish still which somewhat confused me

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Some highlights

lol squeeze
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (CO): $106.80
BTN: $52.45
SB: $100.00
BB: $71.05
UTG: $109.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A A
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $19, UTG raises to $45, Hero raises to $106.80, 2 folds, UTG calls $61.80

Flop: ($236.60) T 4 J

Turn: ($236.60) 5

River: ($236.60) 3

Final Pot: $236.60
Hero shows A A
UTG shows A K
Hero wins $233.60
(Rake: $3.00)

Trapper becomes the trapee
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $157.00
SB: $103.50
BB: $155.55
Hero (UTG): $102.80
CO: $124.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.50) A Q 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($7.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.00, CO raises to $21, Hero raises to $55, CO raises to $121.45, Hero calls $44.80 all in

River: ($207.10) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $207.10
Hero shows A A
CO shows Q Q
Hero wins $204.10
(Rake: $-18.65)

lol fish
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $93.55
BB: $161.00
Hero (UTG): $162.75
MP: $108.55
CO: $100.00
BTN: $68.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A J
Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BTN raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $15, BTN calls $10

Flop: ($31.50) J T 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $147.75, BTN calls $53.35 all in

Turn: ($138.20) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($138.20) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $138.20
Hero shows A J
BTN shows Q J
Hero wins $135.20
(Rake: $3.00)

Run GOOOT
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $100.00
BTN: $21.80
SB: $56.30
Hero (BB): $101.50
UTG: $119.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with T K
3 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 3 K 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB raises to $13, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($32.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $19.00, Hero raises to $85.50, SB calls $21.30 all in

River: ($112.60) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $112.60
SB shows K 4
Hero shows T K
Hero wins $109.60
(Rake: $3.00)

2K more FTP points to buy the ihome, and I'm moving back to stars.

Can someone do my FT for your PS transfer? (~3K ish)
01-05-2010 , 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wishiewish
prolly because you are checking when you should bet.
yes, you're probably right. wait, no... no you're not.

pretty sad that this whole site has turned into a huge levelling forum, I don't remember it being this bad when I first came here.
01-05-2010 , 11:29 PM
na he's right you should be betting

@ ksight sweet dude, although i don't like the turn shove on hand 4, not sure it accomplishes anything
01-05-2010 , 11:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by i*have*those
yes, you're probably right. wait, no... no you're not.

pretty sad that this whole site has turned into a huge levelling forum, I don't remember it being this bad when I first came here.
He is right ainec. Get your head out of your ass...

Lol @ posting a hand and getting pissed when no one likes you're play then complaining about how the entire forum sucks and is leveling. The player = the results.

Keeping an attitude like that won't improve you or make you a winning player...
01-05-2010 , 11:41 PM
I'm thinking of trying heads up for a bit.. What's a good limit I should grind up to before I start? All there is in micro limits is 2$ SNGs with stupid 10% rake.

Edit: Does fulltilt have better HU matches for micros? I'm on stars atm with only a 145 bankroll. I've only just started reading the HU stickies/started playing the SNGs.

2nd Edit: WOOtz0r 100th post.
01-05-2010 , 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jshnaidz
I'm thinking of trying heads up for a bit.. What's a good limit I should grind up to before I start? All there is in micro limits is 2$ SNGs with stupid 10% rake.
Just keep playing cash, I guarantee you will not be a winner at HU, plus rake owns you til 50nl
01-05-2010 , 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
Just keep playing cash, I guarantee you will not be a winner at HU, plus rake owns you til 50nl
Mmk.. but it's something I want to atleast try.

(Sry I'll lurk the HU forums for the basics)
01-05-2010 , 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jshnaidz
Mmk.. but it's something I want to atleast try.

(Sry I'll lurk the HU forums for the basics)
skates posts are REALLY good FWIW.
01-06-2010 , 12:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
He is right ainec. Get your head out of your ass...

Lol @ posting a hand and getting pissed when no one likes you're play then complaining about how the entire forum sucks and is leveling. The player = the results.

Keeping an attitude like that won't improve you or make you a winning player...
When did BBV turn into a strat thread? I posted a hand to show that a player called my squeeze with 64, called my flop cbet with bottom pair, and lucked out on the turn to stack me. Wisshiewish then went on to tell me that the reason I lost the hand was because I didn't bet the turn, when in fact that was not true. Betting the turn would not likely change the end result of the hand, and the end result is all that matters in a BBV thread, right? Therefore, you should get your head out of your ass.
01-06-2010 , 12:22 AM
obv it is not the reason you lost the hand.

but turn check is bad with less than 1psb left.
01-06-2010 , 12:22 AM
Play nice ...
01-06-2010 , 12:24 AM
Ksight - very nice trip report of your 100NL shot Look to take more shots like that - seems like your BR allows it.
01-06-2010 , 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
Thought we'll get monies in ott anyway against a SS,and he might fold some 9s there.I believe you though.

Didn't think this deserves a thread.Villain's a goldstar and shows it.Always bet/folding here,right?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $26.15
SB: $25.00
BB: $13.60
UTG: $25.20
MP: $29.50
Hero (CO): $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) 8 9 K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $5, SB folds,
against a goldstar, i'm weighting range away from draws and towards Kx that is block-raising/monsters and lead/folding most turns with the intention of block-bet/folding a small 1/3-1/2 pot vbet on the river (just playing ridiculously face up). on the most obvious draw completing turns, i hope to get to showdown and fold to a bet.

against a good player, im looking at recent history and trying to determine frequencies, but mostly going for turn c/shove against what i hope is a frequent bet. and im just giving up completely on Q/7/diamond. im also never leading the river unless i had some kind of draw myself and want to make a small fake inducer lead that should have ridiculously high FE for the price . but i'm also never inducing with a bet with my made hands there and prefer checking. with that said, i think i've only very rarely encountered a villain at nl25 that i have this sort of perception of.
01-06-2010 , 12:27 AM
and call with 82o against me and fold to turn bet?
01-06-2010 , 12:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by i*have*those
When did BBV turn into a strat thread? I posted a hand to show that a player called my squeeze with 64, called my flop cbet with bottom pair, and lucked out on the turn to stack me. Wisshiewish then went on to tell me that the reason I lost the hand was because I didn't bet the turn, when in fact that was not true. Betting the turn would not likely change the end result of the hand, and the end result is all that matters in a BBV thread, right? Therefore, you should get your head out of your ass.
Could have been played better. Don't post a hand if you don't want it to get analyzed. Glad you got owned though.
01-06-2010 , 12:35 AM
that hand made me think. having 76ss on 98xdds IP seems like it has a chance at making us more money than having something like JTdd =P. that might be a bit of an exaggeration but you get the idea (perceived outs + real outs of 76ss > perceived + real of JTdd).
01-06-2010 , 12:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
If it's a drawy river it's unclear if he hit his draw or not because there are multiple draws possible. So you bet for value against a thin range of worse Kx or QQ or something along those lines, and in addition it prevents you from being bluffed by missed draws (unlikely he will shove with his missed draws as a bluff). If it's drawy and we check we allow him to valuebet us with his made draws or check and we win the minimum with his missed draws and worse Kx.
haven't really heard this before. it's cool

edit: a good summary. and useful against some players.
01-06-2010 , 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mygibbs
Could have been played better. Don't post a hand if you don't want it to get analyzed. Glad you got owned though.
Thanks for reading my last post. I'll try to "dumb it down" next time so that maybe you can understand.
01-06-2010 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by i*have*those
Thanks for reading my last post. I'll try to "dumb it down" next time so that maybe you can understand.
Ok please do... I really can't understand anything you have to say because your grasp of NLHE is far beyond me. I conceed that you are a far better player than me.

Say... want to play HU4ROLLZ

EDIT: Flaming isn't allowed ITT, pm me a response.
01-06-2010 , 12:44 AM
lol morans
01-06-2010 , 12:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil2501
that hand made me think. having 76ss on 98xdds IP seems like it has a chance at making us more money than having something like JTdd =P. that might be a bit of an exaggeration but you get the idea (perceived outs + real outs of 76ss > perceived + real of JTdd).
Haha,had to look at this for a while.Thanks for your analysis on the hand too.
01-06-2010 , 12:52 AM
calm down plzzz

      
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