Yeah too thin imo. Unless he you have history and he has reason to believe you can have air in this spot.

You guys are just shoving flushes there then?

never had such an explosive red line during a session. basically regs that 3b you have no idea what to do postflop when called. they get timid and wont put in a dime. they just rely on folds preflop.






why can't this idiot be full stacked with the A of spades. i run so bad

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NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.28)
BB ($67.50)
UTG ($19.25)
UTG+1 ($31.08)
CO ($18.10)
Hero ($20.88)

Dealt to Hero 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.54, SB calls $0.44, fold

FLOP ($1.28) T J 2

SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1

TURN ($3.28) T J 2 8

SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls $2

RIVER ($7.28) T J 2 8 5

SB bets $2.74 (AI), Hero calls $2.74

Hero shows 9 Q
(Pre 70%, Flop 97.6%, Turn 100.0%)

SB shows J 9
(Pre 30%, Flop 2.4%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $12.13

It's a pretty nasty spot where the shove is quite large to to starting the hand 130bbs deep. In villains eyes he will put you on a set or a flush draw unless you have an aggressive dynamic as I mentioned above. His range is overpairs, top pair and flush draws. If the flush doesn't come in on the river it's an easy shove as he can call with a decent amount of his range. When the flush hits though it becomes much harder. All his top pair and overpair hands will fold and only his flushes will call making your shove essentially a bluff (that will never work). For those reasons I am only ever shoving a flush here.

I think a more interesting aspect of this hand is to look at what other options we have available to us besides shoving. Do we think cf is ever an option? Obviously we'd have to give villain no credit for being able to turn AQ KQ and AA into a bluff and expect him to take showdown value with these hands. If we think he can turn these hands into a bluff then we have the perfect bluff catcher hand.

Another option to consider would be to make a small bet on the river and fold to a jam. Villain would likely never turn his showdown hands into a bluff due to perceived lack of FE and the fact that we can have flushes in our range still. Would a small bet get paid off enough by his non flush hands? This line would definitely be villain dependent and we'd have to be certain he wasn't capable of bluffing us.

Anyway that's just a bit of tired rambling but maybe something to think about.

We're in position


He doesn't really have many flushes, 'cept maybe Qxs

Yeah I am tired...

Problem is still getting called by worse though. 22 is the bottom of your perceived range in that spot. Hard to say what to do though without stats on villain, but vs a reg Im defo not shoving.

I just have no idea what to say.

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($57.56)
BB ($181)
UTG ($47.75)
UTG+1 ($47.75)
Hero ($62.51)
BTN ($98.42)

Dealt to Hero 9 T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $3

FLOP ($9.75) 2 5 6

Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $6.50

TURN ($31.75) 2 5 6 J

Hero bets $14.50, BTN calls $14.50

RIVER ($60.75) 2 5 6 J 3

Hero bets $32.51 (AI), BTN calls $32.51

BTN shows J K
(Pre 62%, Flop 72.6%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows 9 T
(Pre 38%, Flop 27.4%, Turn 0.0%)

BTN wins $123

awesome c/r.

seems pretty std by him

Yeh, completely standard. Luckily it's totally unexploitable as well...

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($28.84)
BB ($73.82)
UTG ($92.08)
Hero ($68.91)
CO ($139)
BTN ($63.78)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, CO raises to $4.50, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $3

FLOP ($9.75) 3 5 J

Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $6

TURN ($31.75) 3 5 J 9

Hero bets $16, CO calls $16

RIVER ($63.75) 3 5 J 9 K

Hero bets $37.41 (AI), CO calls $37.41

Hero shows J J
(Pre 57%, Flop 93.3%, Turn 81.8%)

CO shows A K
(Pre 43%, Flop 6.7%, Turn 18.2%)

Hero wins $136

spraggy... probs best to say nothing at all and never play 6max again. Stick to hunting the mentally handicapped.

spraggy has a turn betsizing tell.


he prob still makes more $$ out of you playing that way to your c/r's...

I bet nearly exactly half pot in both.

I'm not nearly stupid to play 6max for a source of income, just having some fun is all.

A man just double barrel bluffed me in a 5bet pot.

Fair enough but you have to be trolling, I can't comprehend that even you could make such a stupid statement...

Which statement is the stupid one?

playing 6max for income, I'm sure I've seen you say it before and although HU is obv game selection at its finest, playing 6max for income is nowhere near stupid.

I don't think a lot of the people that post on 2p2 and play say 50nl regularly would be able to make anything near decent enough money to sustain a decent quality of life. The vast majority of people playing 6max would be scraping by and or never make it. Playing 50 zoom for fun tonight I've seen a lot of old faces that used to play 50nl when I did 18 months ago. They are literally going nowhere and I think that's true for a lot of regs at unl. The games are simply too tough or players simply aren't willing to put in the effort.

I genuinely don't think a decent career can be made at 6max unless you work very hard like Ryan and Hung have done. I might be wrong but I suspect I'm not.

What do you consider a decent lifestyle? Also for the guys who you've seen before, do you not think a good % work full time or are students? I doubt there are many people who have played 50nl full time for that long.

I want to disagree with you but feel like we'll have completely different views on what a decent career/lifestyle actually means. It also depends a lot on the individual, someone with no experience/qualifications would probably be happy to make slightly more than minimum wage playing online poker whereas an estate agent should be aiming much higher or w/e depending on status.

Fwiw i think anyone who does play online poker should have the intention of using their profits to buy a property or invest a lot to supplement income for the future.

With regards to living a decent lifestyle I think the money you make if you're playing poker full time has to be significant enough that it outweighs the negative of not having a job where you spend time with other people/ have routine etc... I don't really know what figure to put on that and like you say it's different for people depending on their backgrounds or other opportunities. I just doubt very much that a lot of 6max grinders are ever going to reach a point where they can live comfortably and not be working ludicrous hours. I'm very ready to accept I might be wrong though, I may have completely misjudged the 6max games/scene.

lol

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NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Cake Poker
SB ($20.96)
Hero ($36.50)
CO ($61.17)
BTN ($19.40)

Dealt to Hero K Q

CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, fold, Hero raises to $1, fold, BTN calls $0.80

FLOP ($2.30) 7 5 5

Hero bets $1.40, BTN calls $1.40

TURN ($5.10) 7 5 5 8

Hero bets $3.40, BTN calls $3.40

RIVER ($11.90) 7 5 5 8 8

Hero bets $5.95, BTN raises to $13.60 (AI), Hero calls $7.65

BTN shows 4 4
(Pre 52%, Flop 59.9%, Turn 72.7%)

Hero shows K Q
(Pre 48%, Flop 40.1%, Turn 27.3%)

Hero wins $37.15

Yeah i agree with that altho weighing up money vs social/routine is exactly the same as putting in the effort in another area, choosing to work overtime/going to night school/running your own business etc

I dont think anyone now should aim to reach a point where pokers their source of income, apart from legislation in america, poker will jsut get harder and harder. Ppl should be aiming to get in and get out, use the money to fund a venture or w/e.

Again it comes down to definition, by ludicrous hrs you mean 8+/day 5-7 days a week? I think anyone with the drive/motivation will play enough hours to make good income. Fwiw a 4bb/100 (not inclu. rb) winner at 100nl could make $1.6k (£1k) /week playing 42k hands/wk, @ 1k hands/hr its only 6 hrs/day. Probably a poor example bcos its easier said than done nd theres a tonne of variables to consider but hopefully will add some perspective.

walls of text itt

^im gunna chime in on this.

would u rather make less money doing what you love to do? or taking a high paying job but you really don't enjoy it and just do it for the money? this is not a poker question.

really really bad flop c/r, you rep a FD and thats it basically


unless of course you flat AA-QQ pre, which a reg wont give you credit for anyway