federer is amazing

THE SYSTEM IS WORKING

wc is lame too with all the flopping and stalling to kill time. the rules are pretty bad.

forgot to mention the mental part of the game is probably what puts it over the top for me. not only do u have run like 10+ miles and do crazy agile/athletic moves everywhere, u have to see things before they happen and still then have the physical skill(s) to execute it.

Tennis takes more stamina than soccer imo

haha goon i said soccer b/c i didnt want it to be confused w/ american football.

naaa i disagree and i have a ton of experience in both fwiw

soccer takes way more stamina then tennis

working in a factory takes a lot of stamina

you could only argue mid fielders, strikers and backs take less stamina

yeah the flopping is obv pretty ridic, but at the same time u cant really fault the players, b/c it has become so +ev to flop/dive/exaggerate fouls. sport is sport. and athletes/competitors will naturally look for any edge they can get.

its the same as when a bball player drives the lane and gets bumped slightly but will throw his arms up and act like he got hammered. or when a kicker in football(NFL) will get nudged ever so slightly and do a backflip and clutch his knee like he just got speared.

not arguing that the diving is outta hand, but dont hate the players, hate the system. (would say hate the game to quote the saying, but then u all will be like "yeah i will hate the game (of soccer))". one step ahead of u, punks.

this KK on the turn c/r thread is driving me insane.

is this grinningco dude just a massive level?

i just cba posting strat when people are making it so arduous to do so

I hate the players and the system

you're right that its not the players fault, but it still makes the game suck to me. thats one reason i love the nfl. they do a much better job than any other sports league at constantly updating their rules to smack down lame exploits. kickers dont usually get that flag, btw. nba is another story tho.

pretty sure he's just a douche

wizard, stamina issue vs tennis aside, i think its safe to say u need a ****-ton of stamina to play soccer. and on top of that u need to be on the same "wavelength" w/ 10 other tired guys and see things before they happen and hope your teammate(s) do as well.

the combination of physical (stamina, skill, speed, strength, agility, etc) and mental attributes (vision, teamwork, thinking ahead, etc) is what makes it so damn difficult.

maybe true

fwiw, as you can prolly tell from my avatar, i'm both a massive football and american football fan, but i used to feel the same about the NFL as you guys do about football.

there's literally only a few ways to get into a sport thats not in your national culture

a) have family that are already massive converts
b) move there and feel how entrenched the sport is in the locals
c) join a fantasy league

i binked c and had a sh*t load of fun getting to know the game/teams/players etc, and find the NFL to be ridiculously exciting to watch. the only grumble i have with it, aswell as the NBA which im a big fan, is the constant breakups. i think football flows more as a spectator sport, and therefore the excitement is more continuous and sustained

I am not questioning the skill needed in soccer, just the stamina compared to tennis.

no argument there (except the kicker thing, they seem to get the call everytime they fall down, w/ no consideration as to how hard they were contacted, etc. either way its a very small/infrequent part of the game.)

soccer def has a long way to go in terms of being proactive and adjusting the rules to improve the product on the pitch. they are so anti-technology that it drives me insane. i mean, even baseball started using it for christ's sake, and thats the most traditionalist/"this is how we're doing it b/c this is how we've always done it" sport there is. but at least soccer takes 2hrs per game, every game, no matter. baseball otoh, atrocious.

NBA--NFL------------------------------------------------soccer

some om nom nom hands of 100nl ive been grinding lately
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BTN: $124.25
SB: $216.40
BB: $173.00
UTG: $122.10
MP: $144.85
Hero (CO): $161.50

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with T K
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, BB calls $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($14.00) J 4 K (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50, BB folds

Turn: ($33.00) T (2 players)
MP bets $11.00, Hero raises to $37, MP calls $26

River: ($107.00) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $110.50, MP calls $93.85 all in

Final Pot: $294.70
MP mucks 4 K
Hero shows T K
Hero wins $275.05
(Rake: $3.00)

here villain cib in the exact same spot like 40 hands before this and had t9cc. Obviously I took a different line and learned after that.
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BB: $192.10
UTG: $117.60
CO: $123.45
BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $102.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $13.50, 2 folds, CO calls $10

Flop: ($31.50) A 9 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $15.50, CO raises to $31, Hero raises to $46.50, CO raises to $109.95 all in, Hero calls $42 all in

Turn: ($208.50) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($208.50) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $208.50
CO shows A T (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Hero shows K A (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Hero wins $205.50
(Rake: $3.00)


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CO: $101.30
BTN: $383.40
SB: $109.60
Hero (BB): $135.25
UTG: $112.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 9 A
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 4 9 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $17.50, BTN calls $13

Turn: ($39.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $33, BTN calls $33

River: ($105.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $82.75 all in, BTN calls $82.75

Final Pot: $271.00
BTN mucks Q Q
Hero shows 9 A (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero wins $268.00
(Rake: $3.00)


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UTG: $194.95
CO: $100.00
BTN: $101.50
SB: $259.05
Hero (BB): $123.90

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J 2
3 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

Flop: ($18.00) 9 J 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, SB raises to $30, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($78.00) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $51, SB raises to $220.05 all in, Hero calls $33.90 all in

River: ($247.80) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $247.80
SB shows Q Q (two pair, Queens and Twos)
Hero shows J 2 (a full house, Twos full of Jacks)
Hero wins $244.80
(Rake: $3.00)

i dunno about that. obv its a big handicap, but if a game is good enough, it picks up followers. i like australian football league and think its pretty entertaining even tho i knew nothing about it for most of my life and only watch it casually if it happens to be on or something. on the other hand, i grew up with baseball, and i think it sucks.

what about the NHL?

i thought Ice Hockey was a canadian man's thing?

@ Wiz

NBA--NFL--NHL-----------------------------------------------------soccer

yeah i mean obv. there's just some sports that naturally don't take your fancy, but i think too many people grow up with an idea of a sport being 'x,y and z' negatives because they haven't been exposed to it culturally without ever really giving it a chance. i know i was like this and im glad i stumbled upon the NFL otherwise im sure ida had all the negative english preconceptions about entrenched in me for life.

lol, fair play