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06-09-2015 , 11:45 AM

#576

Dr.FatCat

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,082

Very unlikely gomoneygov is a bot imo. His sn combined with his strat is too funny for him to be a bot.

On a more serious note, he plays completely different to everyone else and his timings have been somewhat indicative of a human imo.

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06-09-2015 , 12:56 PM

#577

TimStone

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

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Originally Posted by Dr.FatCat

as i already said its 1000times more likely (if there is any foulplay) that they have a software and click themselves, do timing themselves, chat, etc. instead of pure botting

they play identical times of the day which would indicate humans who want to have a decent lifeschedule (wake up same hours, play certain amount, etc.)

if you would have pure bots you could/would probably run them a bit longer, can run them at complete random times, etc

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06-09-2015 , 12:57 PM

#578

Kangal_

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,912

Yeah would also probably discount GOmoney from the bot list. Hard to quantify, but I definitely feel like I've seen him make gameflow/dynamic based decisions.

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06-09-2015 , 01:35 PM

#579

centgas

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,449

I have e-mailed my concerns to Stars, and would encourage others to do the same, with the names of suspect accounts. The fact that those accused in the PLO games are still playing is pretty disturbing.

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06-09-2015 , 01:49 PM

#580

kevinb1983

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,684

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Originally Posted by Hiei20

Could it be that they're not "bots" but use some kind of program that tells them what to do, how much to bet, etc every time action reaches them? So, it would be like botting but clicking and timing is humanly done, this way is less probable to be catched.

Anyway, if all these names we've outed are playing every day during the same hours would be kinda weird what i'm saying.

reminds me of this

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=97

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06-10-2015 , 02:32 AM

#581

ArtPlay

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 565

About botting, I'm pretty new to the zoom pool, but anybody know the guy named "Malefa**or47" at z500 ? He's from Russia.

This is only the slighest suspicion, not willing to offend him if he's legit, but he shares some similarities with bots banned from PokerStars.fr a few months ago. An oddly merged 3betting strategy OOP in particular, with very variable sizings.

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06-10-2015 , 04:33 AM

#582

Pinkmann

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,499

What really worries me is if this snowie type semi botting is really a thing, then you could just employ an army of 10nl guys to play higher stakes and give them a profit share of some sorts. Then if it gets infested enough, articles will pop up online and rec's will be more reluctant to deposit.

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06-10-2015 , 06:44 AM

#583

grogheadflow7

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,281

Just add an extra card/ suit/ street, jokers are wild etc on variable days of the week and bots are ruined. I think this is where it might end up.

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06-10-2015 , 07:02 AM

#584

pagepuga

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 341

5th suit would be fun, not only for nlhe. Also, I played a lot with given bot names last year and was interested about their oop 3b strategy from bb, went through hhs to learn something. They have like 4 different sizings, 3bet small 77 vs utg from bb and barrel post like crazy. Now, I'm starting to realise that they probably have 100k hands on everyone and just exploit their stats and their ranges are somewhat random.

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06-10-2015 , 10:19 AM

#585

jeanchris

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 745

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Originally Posted by grogheadflow7

Just add an extra card/ suit/ street, jokers are wild etc on variable days of the week and bots are ruined. I think this is where it might end up.

I like this lol.

Also i think its time that every related software in poker is straight up ban, i wish stars would take that extreme step.

hud,table ninja script or whatever the fuc*k people are using to make extra money.

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06-10-2015 , 10:19 AM

#586

ISO

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,715

When you consider post #580 and the latest botting scandal, i can't see how the status quo can continue. Ban all HUDS/Scripts, and have regular account activity checks.

This is far from ideal but its a start in stopping the rot.

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06-10-2015 , 10:20 AM

#587

ISO

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,715

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Originally Posted by jeanchris

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06-10-2015 , 10:21 AM

#588

PokerRon247

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11,192

I like that idea, but imo it'd just lead to the people with the more sophisticated software that's able to avoid detection having a huge edge over the rest of the field.

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06-10-2015 , 11:23 AM

#589

Fayth

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,134

stars and other sites can always hire someone who will be able to update their 3rd party detection feature so that this does not happen

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06-10-2015 , 01:56 PM

#590

Ninja666

adept

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 784

it is higher EV to increase coast security and spot all those ships, confiscate those and return refugees to their land.

* Decreased chance to succeed while paying huge money (for them),
* Decreased number of boats carrying refugees
will decrease temptation to flee.

All support to them and accepting migrants to Europe (or other country) is detrimental to that county and even for that country that they are fleeing from.

So even 100% rate of death for migrants would save much more lives than trying to help them.

Yes, sounds cruel, but that is the way it is.

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06-10-2015 , 03:12 PM

#591

Ninja666

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 784

I see that someone deleted request for charity, so my post now hangs in the air :|

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06-10-2015 , 04:12 PM

#592

Fayth

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,134

haha you can always edit

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06-10-2015 , 05:20 PM

#593

Schwein

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 115

Ok guys I am posting this for you, D33XTR and Iddqd55 are banned already. Below you have 2 more accounts still playing and they are rather similar. Those 4 accounts also share A LOT of stats with the PLO bots. I have managed to build a super strong case against the PLO botters, using RPTR screenshots and a lot of very unique stats that are shared by all of the PLO botters.

If you want me to take a look at the NLHE ones I will need HH to see if they have those unique stats as well.

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06-10-2015 , 06:30 PM

#594

jnt

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 31

the similarities in flop,turn and river stats on that screenshot of the banned players and those two still playing daily is extremely disturbing... so sick

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06-10-2015 , 06:36 PM

#595

Burnss

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,539

Anyone Russian here who go on the Russia 2p2 equivalent? Are these bots ever discussed there?

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06-10-2015 , 06:50 PM

#596

Hiei20

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 82

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Originally Posted by Burnss

Anyone Russian here who go on the Russia 2p2 equivalent? Are these bots ever discussed there?

All russians are bots, nothing to discuss

BTW have a look at EasyGamerr and at the evolution of Progamerrrr, I have a bad feeling on "him"

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06-10-2015 , 06:58 PM

#597

Jajajaja

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Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 850

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Originally Posted by Schwein

Thanks for all of your work.

I have watched gomone y closer since ppl have been talking about him being a bot and there def was suspect things. He loves to pot cbet in 3b pots, and he doesn't adapt his strat vs fish in spots where he obv should which is congruent w him being a bot. Also it seems like he 8 tables 200z + 500z which basically no one does, and he crushes both which is suspect as well.

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06-10-2015 , 07:07 PM

#598

sirin

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,002

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Originally Posted by Ninja666

I read this a few times thinking it was an intricate metaphor to do with the botting and banning Russian players before giving up trying to understand it and reading the next post!

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06-10-2015 , 07:09 PM

#599

Hiei20

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 82

So, if we have high suspicions on these guys, shouldn't we let Stars know so they can investigate further? If any of you writes a well documented mail we can all send, I'm first to send it. I'd do it myself but I'm not native english and might commit some mistakes.

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06-10-2015 , 07:19 PM

#600

Burnss

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,539

stars are useless. when i emaled about that awful/bad reg @nalog (LOLmixgrill, you idiot) . A couple hours later they just emailed theyve looked at the player and he doesnt look like hes a bot. A couple of hours? wtf. maybe it was super obvious he wasnt so it didnt need to take longer than a couple of hours (although it would have been way less because it would have took time for them to receive it). still would have been nice to spend a little bit longer on such a complicated situation before saying theyve finished the investigation.

(ofc a well put email where everyone sends would make them look at all into more detail)

Last edited by Burnss; 06-10-2015 at 07:29 PM. Reason: deserved abuse added.

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