and when will we know more in terms of the big changes re: vip program/black card etc

there is no any table on msnl right now. it makes me a sad panda and i cant be sad, only angry and confused on ftp

I'm in favour of them as a complete package - some I think are really cool.

I can't say more about dates than the coming weeks and months which I know isn't too much help. The devs are working their balls off to meet the current deadline but these changes are big and it's entirely possible that date gets pushed and I don't want to tell you one thing and then we hit that date and everyone is like 'but you said . . . '

HA this made me chuckle which at 10am is no easy thing! Come to Rush, games are running virtually 24/7 at the moment.

Looking at my results for the year I've just realised that I'm paying around 5.5bb in rake. And this is going to increase? Isn't this just making it even more difficult for people in the micros to move up, helping the poker eco system?

I thought you played nl25? Rake is only being increased at stakes up to 10NL and at 1knl+ everything else in between is remaining the same.

Yeah I do. I thought 25 was being increased as well? If not, I take it back

I never really pay any attention to rake but last night I was pretty shocked when I seen it was higher than my winnings for the year, and I'm winning at 5.3bb.

Yeah it amazes me how little attention a lot of regs pay to the amount of rake they pay, your not the first guy I've spoken to who had basically never looked. Even at say 400nl most people are paying between 3-4bb/100 so to me at least when you factor in the skill level of opponents 5-6bb/100 at nl25 doesn't sound too bad. If you had asked me to guess I would have prob said in the 6-8bb range.

Don't give them ideas...

FWIW, I'm pretty sure he's talking about nitring. Still, 5.5bb/100 in rake at 25NL FR sounds surprisingly low to me.

I'm guessing most regs at 25NL 6max are paying at least 8bb/100 in rake, but I could be wrong.

Yeah that is nitring. I have started adding in 6 max this month as it's difficult to get any sort of volume in at my normal games so it's possible I will see the rake go up. I've got the rake at 6.8bb for my 6max volume but that is a small sample so far so I'm not sure how reliable that is.

Nice to see you coming over to the darkside

I was a 400nl-2knl FR player pre-BF but realised i was going to have to switch after the Americans left - took me a long time to feel comfortable in 6-max. Stick with it the switch is worthwhile in the long-run.

Pre BR I was a 50nl FR reg but I'd also put in some volume at 100nl FR. Since then I've just retreated into my little comfort zone. Unfortunately the darkside is where the tables are at so I'm just gonna have to man up and go battle with them

Just add other sites. Plenty nitring up to 100nl around but gotta have like 8 lobbies open if you want regular higher games heh.

in an ideal world full tilt gets its **** together and we can all come back and play exclusively here but I don't see that happening. Excited to see what changes are abound though.

I messed around on other sites for a little bit (Stars, 888) but it's a pain so I'm just biting the bullet and adding 6 max. I think that's the better option in the long run anyway. Funnily enough I've also noticed some 6max regs are now adding in FR and there are quie a few players who play both.

If you dont like shortstacks, why you dont play on Pokerstars? Instead of complaining about shortstacks, you could learn to play against them. When shortstack double up and wait for big blind, you have good opportunity to punish him. So, you also have the advantage... for few hands

But seriously, this theme tired. There is no mathematical advantage there. Most of the short stacks play really really bad. They are like additional fish on the table. If they double up, run and then sit with 40bb again, bigstacks have the same situation as before. So i dont see problem. And again - you can play on Pokerstars Zoom.

teach us more wisdom f1ush

I can't even be bothered to point out the nonsense in this post . . .

I try, but you are not listening to mentor.

You dont bother explains your position. All your explanation is that "short stacks have an advantage", "+1 josht7" etc. The conversation is not constructive. No arguments. Just dissatisfaction. Do you play rush poker on FTP or you just entered to talk? As far as I can remember, I havent seen you for a long time (if you have same nickname).

I dont understand why josht7 and Atothec are dissatisfied. I think they have an advantage againts most SS unlike many other regulars.

The point isn't that their intrinsic advantage makes them unbeatable. I am winning against every single one of them this year, the point is they make the games mind numbingly boring to play.

SS/MS lose to regs and beat the recs they are a huge net negative to game quality as awhole and in small player pools they provide reverse liquidity.

Poker sites should provide a level playing field allowing multiple buy-in levels goes against that philosophy by giving those who buy-in short an intrinsic advantage. If you can't understand why that advantage exists then please go and do some research and come back when you can make a coherent point. Boggles my mind that even people playing that strategy don't understand the very strategy they are using, either that or they just don't want to admit it in public.

Just lol at not knowing who I am and questioning if I even play in the games jeez do some research before you post.

Sparky, i am not researcher. I have not read the specific points that MS has the advantage. You just say "i know that MS have advantage, go and do some research". About game quality - of course the big stack would be more convenient to play only with big stacks. The issue in convenience. 20bb have big advantage against 100bb. 40bb dont have. MS has the advantage when his opponent isnt competent how to play against 40bb stake. Most regulars dont know how to play. Maybe i wrong, but nobody can prove otherwise. So it is just talk.

No one wants to play with you guys. Look what just happened just now....you guys kill the games!!

OK I'll walk you through it using your own words.

You agree that a 20bb stack has a big advantage vs a table of 100bb stacks. The reason for this is due to relative stack size. So it follows that a 40bb stack relative to a table of 100bb stacks has an advantage that is less than or equal to that of the 20bb relative to the 100bb stack. Just as it follows that a 100bb stack has an advantage over a table of 200bb stacks due to relative stack sizes.

It is literally impossible for you to think 20bb has a big advantage vs 100bb and not think that a 40bb stack has at least some advantage vs a 100bb stack unless you don't understand why the 20bb stack has an advantage over a table of 100bb stacks.

So it follows that 200bb stack has HUGE advantage versus 1000bb? Are you serious? Again you did not say anything specific, so i can conclude that you just do not know about advantage. If you say that the advantage exists, you have to prove it. Because by default i can think that the advantages do not exist (praesumptio innocentiae). I know where 20bb stack has an advantage. In preflop only. SS can shove widely preflop versus wide range of bigstack (like in 2006 was). And it give a mathematical advantage. Unexploitable shove. So you said that 40bb have a preflop advantage. In what spots? Examples please.