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11-16-2011 , 05:35 PM

#3226

lnternet

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11-16-2011 , 06:45 PM

#3227

smellmuth

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+1 nice post

11-16-2011 , 07:11 PM

#3228

enigma121

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sorry but whats that suppose to mean "players have been on a major downswing with ongame and now on a major upswing with cake?"
sounds a bit shaddy no?

11-16-2011 , 07:11 PM

#3229

peterk9

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tower_Support

Large cash game Grinders who have made the move with us are already on a major upswing after being on a long term downswing with ongame. They are reporting back to us daily that they love the new software, love the fact that they can understand the rake structure, and that we can be open and transparent about rewards.

So ongame is rigged?

11-16-2011 , 07:13 PM

#3230

enigma121

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peterk9

So ongame is rigged?

pretty obvious thats what they are saying
sorry quote long term downswing

11-16-2011 , 07:14 PM

#3231

ulairiiii

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i have some questions

1)so you claim that real real longterm downswing exist on ongame?And i dont mean 200-500 games i mean hilarious big downswings
2)you claim that bots do exist and software is weak to protect the players
3)now you belong to euro cake poker.How is the traffic for sngs there?

11-16-2011 , 07:34 PM

#3232

smellmuth

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Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma121

pretty obvious thats what they are saying
sorry quote long term downswing

theyre obv implying ong is tough and cake is soft

11-16-2011 , 08:13 PM

#3233

enigma121

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smellmuth

theyre obv implying ong is tough and cake is soft

i dont think so every one knows how soft ongame is,inc tower

11-16-2011 , 09:12 PM

#3234

FrankShank

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smellmuth

theyre obv implying ong is tough and cake is soft

this

11-16-2011 , 09:20 PM

#3235

kruli

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 685

i hope everyone that uses ongbetter realises that there's no reason that you aren't being superusered by the author. you're running a full modified client by some random russian.

11-16-2011 , 09:22 PM

#3236

enigma121

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peterk9

So ongame is rigged?

others have diff views
anyway there right about what happens when bwin leave

11-16-2011 , 10:35 PM

#3237

Evan Jarvis

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 596

It seems like the big guys just like to pick on the little guys. And that this entire industry where skins share a software is based on price cutting the other guy and slandering their reputation.

I play on both betsafe and towergaming new cake software. I think both companies do a fine job, but that the focus should be on professionalism and focusing on one's own strengths rather than attacking other's images.

I know that this is the business world, and that there's no way that everyone can just be friends. I do however feel that the behavior by all parties has been a bit sad on some fronts.

I hope both networks can do well. They have a different approach, but both offer VALUE to the players, and that should be what everyone focuses on.

Just my 2 cents

11-16-2011 , 10:36 PM

#3238

Evan Jarvis

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And if any ongame rep comes thru here, please change the terms of service to EXPLICITLY state that seat script program use should be considered illegal. This would be taking a step forward and be good for your image as a fair and safe playing environment.

11-16-2011 , 11:04 PM

#3239

kruli

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KeyGrip510

yes, and PLEASE don't implement waitlists. ongame was a unique network without them.

as much as we have mocked ongame's software developers, it's time for them to step up and implement a random time for each player to see the "sit down" button.

we need to go back to good old fashioned ninja clicking, it rewards those who are attentive to table selecting and doesn't punish those who start tables.

11-16-2011 , 11:06 PM

#3240

Make_it_rain187

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tower_Support

Hi all,

I'm not going to get into a mud-slinging match with Ongame skins on this thread (much), but I felt I do need to address the misinformation that Betsafe have been spreading.

On the poker side of our business, we are happy to be away from the Essence model, the bots, and the predatory marketing between skins which Ongame has so poorly managed. Rumours of more countries being shut down by Ongame are also rife. Eastern Europe continues to crop up as a possible target, similar to the recent Entraction decision.

The pending sale of the company by Bwin and associated liquidity drop is something we are glad to not be concerned about now. We are also glad that we won't have to deal with the pending rewards drop for tournament players on Ongame. This change happens next week for those of you who don't know about it. Euro Cake will continue to offer 7FPP per $ paid in tournament fees. Ongame's will drop to 3.

All of our player accounts are now migrated to the Euro Cake Network for Poker, but it is an important distinction that all of our payments are not handled by Cake. The payments are held and managed by Everymatrix, fraud protection is excellent, and deposit limits are much higher than with Ongame/CQR. As you have seen on this thread, cash-outs are working well and players are getting their money when requesting it. There is no issue of safety or security here. Obviously we don't have the word "Safe" in our name, but, you know, Betsafe don't have the word "illegal rakeback" in their name but that doesn't mean they don't do that.

Large cash game Grinders who have made the move with us are already on a major upswing after being on a long term downswing with ongame. They are reporting back to us daily that they love the new software, love the fact that they can understand the rake structure, and that we can be open and transparent about rewards.

Obviously we will have bumps in the road. We are a large site and we have been on the same poker software and payment processing for six years, so migrating all of our players and balances is a big undertaking. I can assure everyone that all player funds are in the accounts and if players need to cash out they can do so. The money is all there. This isn't full tilt or UB.

Everymatrix are licensed and regulated in the EU and have rigorous protocols when players make large withdrawals, so any delays players may encounter in the next little bit are to do with "Know Your Customer" checks that are mandated by the licensing authorities. This is frustrating for long term customers, but in the end it is for everyone's security that this takes place.

The rewards available through Tower Gaming on the Euro Cake Network are excellent, but it is a new system for many of our players so there will be confusion and concern, we accept that and fully understand it. Our support staff and VIP managers are working around the clock to help players through the transition.

We believe in the Euro Cake poker software and have been impressed with how they manage the security of their software when it comes to proactive bot detection. We accept that there is currently less liquidity on the Euro Cake Network than on Ongame, but we are planning for the future. Ongame's liquidity is dropping. It will drop in half when Bwin leaves, and who knows what will happen when they are sold next month. The Euro Cake Network is steadily improving and has the infrastructure in place to overtake Ongame within the next year when it comes to liquidity.

This has been a long response, but I hope it was enlightening.

If anyone has questions, please do PM me.

Further reading:

http://nation.towergaming.com/2011/1...poker-network/

http://nation.towergaming.com/2011/1...h-everymatrix/

http://www.towergaming.com/online-po...-software.html

Elizabeth

PS It's nice to be able to say the word RAKEBACK without feeling like it is a dirty word.

hope you got rid of that scum bag player manager patrick he tried to rip me off twice

11-17-2011 , 03:55 AM

#3241

thejuggernaut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kruli

i hope everyone that uses ongbetter realises that there's no reason that you aren't being superusered by the author. you're running a full modified client by some random russian.

Not 100% sure but I think if you turn off the "show mucked cards feature" there should be no outgoing traffic from the program. This would mean you are not afaik.

Posting in the thread now to confirm, but I think attacking this guy like this, more or less simply b/c his english isnt great, so the site doesnt look as professional as it could is unfair.

He has no idea who I am on 2+2 or what stakes I play and has been extremely helpful.

fwiw I also rarely play above 2/4, so I guess I understand why someone who plays higher would be much more concerned about something like this.

Edit: He also states he's sent his software to ongame for approval, seems reassuring.

11-17-2011 , 04:16 AM

#3242

Pummi81

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Sure, hes seems like a somewhat nice guy overall. However, I posted in his thread to try and get him reconsider dropping the wait-list feature from his software. His replies rgarding doing that made him look both ignorant and arrogant to me.

11-17-2011 , 05:07 AM

#3243

le_fu

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siminitt

Anyone know if Ganglion8 is a bot ? as 330k hands in a month at 200nl is facking redic

I've been playing a lot againts him/her lately, and he def got some bottish -features, although the stats aren't like what the "confirmed" bots have. He also has few major leaks, and I've marked him as a semi-fish. I also reported him to botwatch already.

11-17-2011 , 05:56 AM

#3244

fabby

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Are not u worried about ongame sale?
Traffic will unfortunately go down :-(

11-17-2011 , 05:57 AM

#3245

BuddhaMonk187

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ZOMG just had 2 royal flushes in a row on the same tbl.

What do I get???

Last edited by BuddhaMonk187; 11-17-2011 at 06:04 AM.

11-17-2011 , 05:58 AM

#3246

aka_bebel

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I'm looking for a new deal .
Thanks!

11-17-2011 , 06:11 AM

#3247

(._X)0---(^_^)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fabby

Are not u worried about ongame sale?
Traffic will unfortunately go down :-(

with essence most b/e regs will just leave for better pasture if it happens and it'll be back to normal with the reg/fish ratio

You also underestimate how much fish bet24 and goalwin contribute

11-17-2011 , 06:15 AM

#3248

thejuggernaut

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pummi81

But this doesnt make him a likely scammer. From his perspective its a highly marketable feature to his software.

fwiw, not vouching for him in any way or saying I have any inside knowledge. Just saying I think the accusations being thrown around are a bit too much, especially since I think alot of the concerns that still exist are partly due to english likely not being his first language.

Last edited by thejuggernaut; 11-17-2011 at 06:21 AM.

11-17-2011 , 06:20 AM

#3249

Pummi81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thejuggernaut

But this doesnt make him a likely scammer. From his perspective its a highly marketable feature to his software.

Ofc not and I understand his perspective very well. I hope that Ongame will just give him OK to keep developing teh software BUT on one condition - no insta-seating-functionality.