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01-15-2010 , 05:03 PM

#151

fjjj1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loco1887

with ev you're still down..

01-15-2010 , 05:35 PM

#152

Keyser112

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that is brutal.

take a break, move down in limits.

01-15-2010 , 09:05 PM

#153

chefko

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 232

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keyser112

that is brutal.

take a break, move down in limits.

no thanks. take a break and stay at your limits.
no need for rapeage down here

01-15-2010 , 09:16 PM

#154

alaindeluxe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smellmuth

agreed, alain, plz stop posting :P

What I meant is obviously get poker out of your mind for a while

01-15-2010 , 09:55 PM

#155

Nacek

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 241

its only 20buyins under EV in 17k hands.. is that sucha big deal? overall swing depends a lot on your winrate but goin 20buyins under EV in 17k hands.. nothin special..

invest 1-2k in a good online coach or somethin...

01-15-2010 , 10:33 PM

#156

smellmuth

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alaindeluxe

What I meant is obviously get poker out of your mind for a while

i know, what i meant is dont tap the glass :P

01-16-2010 , 05:19 AM

#157

piedone

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fjjj1

with ev you're still down..

it's normal if you run that bad, because:

a./ after a while you will not be able to bring your A game
b./ your image will be like **** and you will never have respect vs regs

01-16-2010 , 09:01 AM

#158

TTT

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacek

I just switched to shorthanded after a very long fullring "career". 3 times over 400K hands Ive been down 15 BI.
This player is down 20 BI. The variance might well be larger in shorthanded but 20BI down just on EV is cruel.

01-16-2010 , 09:11 AM

#159

drsmooth

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,362

How is a coach gonna help prevent him from running 20BI below ev?

01-16-2010 , 09:54 AM

#160

Jakelamotta

adept

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,061

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjjj1

with ev you're still down..

Well that´s because allin-ev basically doesn´t say anything about how you actually are running. Loco isn´t just 20 bi under ev but most likely way above 30 under ev.

I don´t know how people are so obsses with that stat, I find close to no correlation between how you run in allin pots and your actual results. Albeit small sample size but still. Last year I had the same result the month I ran the most above ev as the month when I ran the most below for example.

01-16-2010 , 10:40 AM

#161

TTT

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Jake: "Well that´s because allin-ev basically doesn´t say anything about how you actually are running"

answer: Not quite sure Loco agrees

01-16-2010 , 11:50 AM

#162

ADK

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agree that it means **** all most of the time, but its still unpleasant to look at

01-16-2010 , 01:54 PM

#163

Nacek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TTT

i also never had a swing larger then 17buyins and i played pretty lagish (which i doubt for you if u just switched from FR).. but in a sence of EV i had a swing of going 40-45 buyins under EV and then back up to 0 EV last year ... so i guess 20buyins is nothin special.. friend of mine went 20buyins under EV in 1 day playin HU PLO..

guess u just have to know that this is normal so when it comes to it u have less tilt problems..

01-16-2010 , 02:10 PM

#164

TTT

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My stats are 28/21/8/3 (VPIP/Prfr/3b/aggro) over 16K hands, still fresh at the shorthanded game and really dont know if my stats are laggy or not.

I wonder though what the average regular would consider to be a good winrate bb/100 at the 5 handed NLH400 game. Any of you guys who can answer that?

01-16-2010 , 02:27 PM

#165

stevi3p

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28/21 is pretty loose even for 5-handed; average for a reg is probably 24-25/20 or something. 8% 3 bet is about average I think. A decent winrate is probably around 6 bb/100, although more is possible.

01-16-2010 , 02:36 PM

#166

Nacek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stevi3p

i think for ongame 400NL 28 21 is a good number, not to laggish at all..i think krantz once said 25 20 is great for 6max so..even some of the best nl400 regs with highest winrate have the similar stats..

do u mean a solid winrate of 6bb like BB or bb? 6BB is a very very nice winrate and there is maybe 2% percents of players capable of holdin it up.. HU is different though..

what do u think of that - www.analyse-poker.com

01-16-2010 , 02:49 PM

#167

_Mantis_

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,707

He said 6bb so he meant big blinds. I agree that 6bb (3BB) is a decent winrate. 4BB is great and 5BB is remarkable, imo. If you can sustain 5+BB, then move the **** up in stakes!

01-16-2010 , 03:09 PM

#168

Loco1887

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ANTES/BLINDS
BobbyLight13 posts small blind ($10), whyennui posts big blind ($20), DEALING_HOLE_CARDS
.

PRE-FLOP
Jane_16 folds, Loco1990 raises to $60, filestlight folds, BobbyLight13 folds, whyennui raises to $200, Loco1990 raises to $445, whyennui raises to $2,000 and is all-in, Loco1990 calls $2,000.

FLOP [board cards: 3H,2H,9C ]
DEALING_FLOP
.

TURN [board cards: 3H,2H,9C,2D ]
DEALING_TURN
.

RIVER [board cards: 3H,2H,9C,2D,9H ]
DEALING_RIVER
.

SHOWDOWN
whyennui shows [ 9D,JH ]
Loco1990 shows [ KS,KH ]
whyennui wins $4,007.

01-16-2010 , 03:41 PM

#169

smellmuth

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Loco1887

lol thats silly

01-16-2010 , 05:42 PM

#170

Nacek

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smellmuth

lol thats silly

what is silly? has he said anything about the dynamics?

its not like hiting 1 outer here..

01-16-2010 , 07:34 PM

#171

Loco1887

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we played about 200 hands at this table and it was my first 4bet.
Exactly one hand before that, he had lost a stack by a very weird play getting stacked with TT on a board with 2 overs.

01-16-2010 , 08:23 PM

#172

derek_richmond

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does anyone use additional software for ongame (other than HM/PT3)?

many thanks if you can let me know

01-17-2010 , 06:00 AM

#173

alaindeluxe

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Hey Loco, this sucks of course, especially during a downswing but I would still say you made a big big mistake in the hand.

01-17-2010 , 06:05 AM

#174

Unknown Soldier

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,238

the client crashes after I play one hand. I've tried unistalling and installing again, ive tried restarting my pc, but that doesnt work. Any ideas?

01-17-2010 , 08:28 AM

#175

stevi3p

adept

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 841

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacek

28VPIP certainly isn't crazy, but it's definitely on the looser side for a reg. Yes, I meant 6bb not 6BB.

I had a look at analyse-poker - seems to be there to promote an affiliate site. Not sure why you would take much notice of the strategy advice there if you're a MSNL player (not that it seemed horrible or anything from my quick look, it's just that there are hundreds of sites that offer advice like that).

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