Has anyone calculated How much RB this African American card gets us? I've searched around and it seems there are no definitive numbers. If i already have 27% rb what am i looking at if I get my noir card?

No more idling on FTP I guess. I don't know about ya'll but I leave FTP up 24/7 most of the time and they just hit me with "due to an extended period of inactivity bla bla bla disconnecting you unless you click cancel in 60 seconds".

I guess it's not a big deal just slightly annoying.

yeah i've noticed this idk why they are doing it?

Even if rb drops by 20%(so 5-6% rakeback) doesn't the double points add 3% rb. So the nits are losing out on ~3% rakeback. Boo ****ing hoo. They think they are entitled to the best bonuses because they click fold faster than other nits.

Still seems kinda shady on FT part. When you introduce "new rewards" you would think it would lower full tilts profits slightly in the short term in order to increase their longterm profits by creating customer loyalty and new customers.

yeah that is annoying

I think it's just 2x points which is essentially 3% extra rakeback. What's funny is the black card cash bonuses clear at a lower rate than the iron man cash bonuses and it hits your MGR.

my first thought was anti-bots but bots are active players too no? lol.

Someone was saying it could be anti-PTR measure, but even if this idling thing is to curb datamining I'm sure they'll find a way around it.

So all in all the only good thing about the new update are the double ftpoints?

need to correct my post a bit. i thought ftp was moving to contributed rake. THEY ARE NOT USING CONTRIBUTED RAKE. they are instead using a weird WEIGHTED contributed rake which only factors in the money you put into the pot, not the money you win. essentially you only pay rake when you win a pot so the more pots you win, the more rake you pay. a contributed system would be perfectly fair because you would receive rakeback based on how much rake you actually pay from the pots that you win. weighted contributed is essentially giving losing players more rakeback.

i still think this update is more fair than the dealt method but if they are truly committed to makings things fair, it makes no sense that they would not use the true contributed rake calculations.

basically,
before this update: you get 27% of the rake that gets taken at your table.
now: you get 27%*(money you put into pot/pot size) of the rake that gets taken out of pots that you play.
it should be: you get 27% of the rake that gets taken out of the pots that you win.

i think thats right but if not please correct me .

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...idents-887662/

this is bad....

Blah, I think your logic is not right. With WC rake, you get rakeback on exactly the rake you put in the pot - the way it "should" be. How much rakeback you get shouldn't depend on whethere you are a winning or losing player.

you think so? if i were never to win a pot then i would essentially not be paying any rake right?

I think of it as any time you enter a pot, you contributed to the rake, regardless of whether you won or lost. Because any time you see a flop, the casino makes money.

i'm sure oldjude would love blah-blah's option

also i like the purple in the lobby and the number next to waiting lists. any other new things i'm missing?

ya but by your logic if 3 people see the flop in a single raised pot at say 2/4nl then they are already raking the max, why should one player get less rb if two guys go all in and one guy folds on the flop

What is purple in the lobby? I haven't played yet

My friend:



Me:



**** you FTP

Word on the street is there's a Tesla Roadster 2.5 for 25,250,000 points. Is it even humanly possible to earn that many points?

well im on the grind for 18 mil points to get the mercedes cls right now

in terms of winning regs, where wud yous guys put me on the aggro scale?

hmmm. the way i think about it is, what is the difference between the result of the hand with rake and the result of the hand w/o rake. for instance, lets consider the case where someone is getting 100% rakeback. this should mean that their result w/ rake should be the same as their result w/o rake right? with the dealt hand or weighted contributed calculations, a person with 100% rakeback would not necessarily have the same result when there is rake vs when there is not. that seems wrong to me.

also did anyone else expect them to have live MTT packages? i thought for sure that they would have them given that you're supposed to use the black card at live MTTs to get into exclusive FTP pros only places.

@NOSUP4U: the theory right now is that they are giving people the grace period also so it is possible that your friend played a lot and earned a bunch of points right before the 100 day period while you did not. basically his black card status will run out soon unless he plays more.

tables you've waitlisted

Just found out my avg FTP earnings is 431 over the last 100 days.

Not too keen about having to play more just to get this Black Card which, as far as I can tell, only serves to show me all the wonderful expensive things I could buy with my points but that I will never be remotely able to afford.