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09-07-2010 , 12:10 AM

#16201

MuppetPower

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 549

Quote:

Originally Posted by themeltedpot

quick question:

whats the prop/con of turning on "Run it twice by default"? (under "table option"/"Misc")

pro:
1. reduce variance?

con:
1. waste 5 sec of life

imo you should have it unchecked by default and only put it on mid-hand if it makes it advantageous to the situation.

I'd guess if you think you are a strong favourite you don't want it on, and if its more of a coinflip situation you do want it on ?

disclaimer : the few times I've played stakes with run it twice, I've forgotten to even consider if its worthwhile and only remembered after the hand. There is no solid maths behind my assumptions.

09-07-2010 , 12:21 AM

#16202

dabomb75

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,343

it really is more of a mental thing than anything

In a vacuum it's -EV every time because of the extra $.5 rake each time it's used. However, if losing 3 60/40s in a row puts you on monkey-tilt causing you to lose 2 more stacks before punching a wall and quitting then $1.50 <<<<<<<<< 2 stacks

But I personally probably wouldn't play with it on till at least 400nl when $.5 is really a very marginal dent in wr

09-07-2010 , 12:22 AM

#16203

DDAWD

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,879

I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where it would be advantageous to have it on. Maybe if you have something like a set and perhaps having it on would induce a villain to make a loose call?

09-07-2010 , 12:33 AM

#16204

MuppetPower

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 549

villain won't know if you have it on, and you won't know if he does

09-07-2010 , 12:34 AM

#16205

MuppetPower

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 549

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDAWD

I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where it would be advantageous to have it on. Maybe if you have something like a set and perhaps having it on would induce a villain to make a loose call?

getting it in vs a drooler when you have a lot of outs but no made hand?

09-07-2010 , 01:08 AM

#16206

DDAWD

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,879

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuppetPower

getting it in vs a drooler when you have a lot of outs but no made hand?

I guess anytime you get it in as an underdog since card removal will help you the second time.

09-07-2010 , 01:12 AM

#16207

isunkurbttlship

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 7,674

sigh...100NL rush and regular tables were great today. was playing on 3 tables w a 40/1 drooler and on another w a like 48/33 drooler, as well as some reg who was 3 betting like all my opens and even c/shipped a Q42 flop w A3s v me. Dispite all this, ran like 9 below ev and dropped 6

09-07-2010 , 01:36 AM

#16208

mborg23

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,050

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuppetPower

villain won't know if you have it on, and you won't know if he does

If we have it on and the villain does not, does it pop up and ask them to run it twice? Or do we just get f-ed and it runs once cuz the drooler has no idea that he can even choose that option?

09-07-2010 , 01:43 AM

#16209

zocketpocket

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,935

Quote:

Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship

sigh...100NL rush and regular tables were great today. was playing on 3 tables w a 40/1 drooler and on another w a like 48/33 drooler, as well as some reg who was 3 betting like all my opens and even c/shipped a Q42 flop w A3s v me. Dispite all this, ran like 9 below ev and dropped 6

should have ran it twice imo

i hoenstly think that runittwice is just a throback to the old days when people didnt have 30-50bi's or wen both players where playing above there bankroll. also they were playing live poker so a +ev move like getting it w 99 vs AK could take months to show anyprofit. but then again im talking out of my a$$ right now, so im probly wronge.

id do for entertainment purposes. i luv gambol so anything that prolongs a gambol i luv. ak vs 99 is a fun gambol for me, but its even more fun doing TWICE!!!!

Last edited by zocketpocket; 09-07-2010 at 01:49 AM.

09-07-2010 , 01:52 AM

#16210

MuppetPower

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 549

Quote:

Originally Posted by mborg23

If we have it on and the villain does not, does it pop up and ask them to run it twice? Or do we just get f-ed and it runs once cuz the drooler has no idea that he can even choose that option?

it doesn't pop up anything, so they would need to have it on.

09-07-2010 , 01:56 AM

#16211

mborg23

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,050

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuppetPower

it doesn't pop up anything, so they would need to have it on.

worthless feature at micros then imo. fish don't have it on.

09-07-2010 , 03:24 AM

#16212

Unjammed

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,408

you guys fold too much imo

09-07-2010 , 03:32 AM

#16213

pele02

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,531

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unjammed

you guys fold too much imo

A new IFS in the house

What level is that?

Welcome, btw!

09-07-2010 , 05:04 AM

#16214

Messenjupp

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,329

Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

don't withdraw and continue to play. Ran $937 below EV in my next 900 hands.

Lol, this is so funny cause it seems so true. I was running good the first two months of July .... withdraw some money and I'm on a downswing ever since (30 BIs below All-In EV).... but I know... no bad beat storys and all-in ev sucks as measurement. Gotta grind it out.

09-07-2010 , 06:54 AM

#16215

Torqued Up

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 324

also, when clearing a bonus be ready for a downswing. that is all.

09-07-2010 , 09:15 AM

#16216

ach ja

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,687

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unjammed

you guys fold too much imo

"All Hands"

Seriously...?

09-07-2010 , 09:20 AM

#16217

Flippn Corner

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783

lol^

1-tabling over 2 years to maximize redline

09-07-2010 , 09:47 AM

#16218

Lyncho

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 422

Bit of self-indulgence: does anyone who plays 25NL or 50NL FR on Full Tilt have any hands on me? Screen name is thelynchmob1. If so, what did you think of my play/what do your stats say about me? Just wondering. TY

09-07-2010 , 09:52 AM

#16219

JL514

because i can

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,826

my hands on you say you're a caring person, with attention to detail, and like little things that make you feel special. You go out of your way to do nice things for people you care about, and you are charitable to your fellow man.

09-07-2010 , 09:59 AM

#16220

Lyncho

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 422

Quote:

Originally Posted by JL514

my hands on you say you're a caring person, with attention to detail, and like little things that make you feel special. You go out of your way to do nice things for people you care about, and you are charitable to your fellow man.

Is it a bit gay if I say that having your hands on me makes me feel warm and wanted?

09-07-2010 , 11:37 AM

#16221

Cangurino

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13,476

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDAWD

I guess anytime you get it in as an underdog since card removal will help you the second time.

This is incorrect. I struggled with this one as well, but running it twice has really no influence on your EV. (It has to do with the fact that the expected value is additive even for events that are not independent.)

BarryG has explained somewhere why he never runs it twice. IIRC it was along the lines of preserving fold equity - people who don't like variance are more willing to get it in against you if you're known to run it multiple times.

My conclusion: If you're comfortably rolled for the game you're playing, don't run it twice. (If you're not rolled then move tf down.)

09-07-2010 , 12:23 PM

#16222

springsteen87

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 8,998

SPAM ALERT

Friend is in a competition where the winner gets $1000

Help him ship please, his name is Lucas S.

Vote Please

09-07-2010 , 01:09 PM

#16223

kb coolman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,452

PSA: Contrary to mathematical evidence, getting AI as a 3:1 favorite is -EV.

That is all.

09-07-2010 , 01:16 PM

#16224

Unjammed

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,408

what/who is IFS?

and lol @ lol @ all hands. i just downloaded hem about 2 days ago, so those are the hands i have since. it's mainly 25nl rush, a little 50.

09-07-2010 , 01:20 PM

#16225

Flippn Corner

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,783

dumb me

Last edited by Flippn Corner; 09-07-2010 at 01:30 PM. Reason: IFS = ImFromSweden

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