I did not create a thread b/c I do not want to get flamed for asking this but I thought maybe I could get back some serious answers here.

how're the fiddy tables??? anyone playing right now??? just got done hanging 48' of shelving around the garage and want to get going on some tables... i probably need to clam down a bit and get my head straight first tho!!!

I once saw a tight as a tick UTG 4x open. After he showed 42s, I pretty much discount absolutes as far as stats go......

Just finished a session short stackers are really out in force today, but what else is new I guess. Table are pretty meh right now though.

we'll see what it looks like in a few minutes... have TS running, "Gold! Jerry! GOLD!!!"

This one is preatty bad as well.

Not a chop though, just standard bad beat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crn09kUcZiw

EN09 start tables with me
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u guys know this XtuXro.atiX guy ?
he just made one weird ass call starting tables with me
(if he doesnt post here ill post the hand

im playing like ****
i stack the bad regs and spew to this ****ing huge fish on a SH table i keep running into the top of his massive range

Yea, but it is a diffeent thing to open s00ted crap UTG to balancing the range and to overshove bet a UTG raise or?

Fold then. wtf do I care.

lol, I had this reaction this morning with some client. For the past week I was trying to get them to implement some processes and tools for there technology project they have been struggling on. My reasoning was that not only are these proven processes routed in 120 years of engineering, but they are not hard to do, just takes some discipline and they wouldn't have to bring in expensive consultants like me after there 82% failure rate for implementing these projects...
They just kept arguing about "its too hard", and "what if we do all that work and we still fail.."

eventually this morning I said
"**** it, Tom just prepay us our $XM next year then, b/c you are going to need it".

LOL when i had an insurance office and some client would call and threaten to cancel their coverage if "this and that" weren't done, i'd tell my staff to get the cancellation papers ready to sign... then when they sat down i had one of the girls walk it in and tell them, "i have your cancellations right here, now what was it you wanted to discuss?"

you'd be amazed how calmly clients would speak after that. give'em what they want, you want to cancel? fine. cancel.

Yeah I am so bad at poker cause I hypothetical consider folding KK vs a 3bet range which seems like KK+ besides the fact he is over shoving.

At least I thought I get some constructive thought but its just this "Call b/c you have KK and this is the micros bla".

But w/e.

its not that ready. Its the fact that you really, really need a large hand sample to fold KK there. If you had a big enough hand sample that it was only KK+, then you should have notes. Plus its only 60bb, also the table dynamics, come into play, Why would the BTN iso shove UTG? Was UTG a fish. Does UTG call shoves light? Does he have QQ knows UTG calls light but doesn't want Ax,Kx to get priced in...there is a lot of information.

tissue? tampon?

had to look at the thread again and make sure i wasn't in SSNL.

+1 this is cash not tourney. No need to try to make super sick reads with very small sample size for 60bb. Just gotta take your licks. Pokerstove KK+. Then Pokerstove KK+,AK. Heck, even take out half the combos of AK... Now add in dead money....

There is the full answer.

Edit: Well, full answer + homework. LOL.

nah, ready is really asking a question.....he just needs to understand:

1) The KK fold preflop threads are infamous to us micro for life
2) there is a FAQ
3) In reality if you fold or call KK everytime you face this situation, it wouldn't make a difference in your long run WR.

Personally, I'd call this. I think the previous posters have a point about stats never being 100% accurate, but also there are three factors in this situation that make AA a bit unlikely.

1) You are UTG and he is on the BTN.
Most players at the micros realize vaguely that position is somewhat important. Thus, many players will give excessive respect to UTG opens.
As a consequence, some UTG raisers will assume this respect is in place, and fold too often to light 3bets in position. Therefore, some players will get frisky against UTG raises, particularly from the BTN.

2) The 3bet is unusually large. Pot-commitingly large. Massive, in fact. This makes me a touch suspicious. Some players will trap with AA. Others will bet normally and try to slip them by you. Still others will will bet slightly larger to bloat the pot. Most, though, will not bet this large for fear or scaring away the action...particularly if they bet rarely (there are exceptions...but this is a great tell/note to get on them). So I think AA is less likely.

3) 1% could be AA. But it could also be KK+. And if your HUD is like mine, it is set for no decimals...so it could really be 1.5% -> QQ+

Also, I have to wonder what you sliding with KK will do to the table dynamic...will you save money in metagame because people fear to push your UTG raises?

Just my 2 cents

So how large have the sample size to be?

Vilian is TAG who opened in the last few orbits a few hands b/c of a good hand run.

So I put this in Poker Stove and against KK+, AK I have 47%.

Vilian is obv a semit-tight passive half satcking fish w a 0.9 3bet to be exact.

Anyway I think we can leave this topic now.

u didnt start tables with me
i dislike u now

I would say you should have notes on this before you get to that point. But around 2K hands I would start thinking this could be a laydown.

I have folded KK preflop several times, but it was so CLEAR that villain had AA I never thought of posting. That is how sure you should be with the read. Zero doubt.

TS and lobby are set up for 7+ players, plus i don't HU well which is why i FR

The simply back round was in this hand I had 99 which is at least a okay fold I hope. And I just started wondering if I could do the call there even w/ KK b/c of his stats.

So I was just corious and reality i would call this most of the times, too. Even when I think folding KK in such spots can not be a hughe leak.

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $67.85
BB: $10.00
UTG: $50.00
UTG+1: $54.45
UTG+2: $50.00
MP1: $67.40
MP2: $10.00
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $39.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A K
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($9.75) 8 A J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, Hero raises to $12.50, BTN raises to $33, Hero raises to $45.50, BTN tanks.... and tanks.... times down and calls $2 all in

Turn: ($79.75) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($79.75) T (2 players - 1 is all in)



NSFWTS

Reading your HH, I was sure this was going to happen.

Re: KK, even if you are wrong and hit AA, don't forget that it's not a death sentence. You're going to win 20% of the time. You have to toss that in with the probability that you've got him dominated with Qs or AK. I just don't fold KK preflop against one person. If I hit aces, I hit aces. I take the cooler and move on.