Ok, thanks. I didn't think I could fold here. Guy had one of the few hands which made sense without containing a 5.

Canga, what are you betting for on the river? What hands will villain call with that you beat?

Since the draw missed I'd rather c/c and let him bluff his missed draws. I can see betting the turn for value against FD/77/99/etc... but I don't see any value on the river.

It follows me!!!

Dropped down to 25NL after 4 50NL sessions yesterday netted me -4 BI's, just to cool off and work on things.... Then "It" found me anyway!

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($25.39)
BB ($33.22)
UTG ($25.98)
UTG+1 ($37.65)
UTG+2 ($67.15)
MP1 ($44.19)
Hero ($25.35)
BTN ($22.26)

Dealt to Hero 5 5

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, SB calls $0.65, fold

FLOP ($1.75) 4 T 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB calls $0.90

TURN ($3.55) 4 T 5 J
SB checks, Hero bets $2.80, SB raises to $5.60, Hero raises to $23.70 (AI), SB calls $18.10

RIVER ($50.95) 4 T 5 J 9

Hero shows 5 5
(Pre 20%, Flop 4.3%, Turn 2.3%)

SB shows T T
(Pre 80%, Flop 95.7%, Turn 97.7%)

SB wins $48.41



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($34.89)
BB ($36.75)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($26.27)
Hero ($36.68)
MP1 ($50)
CO ($25)
BTN ($32.55)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, fold, fold, SB raises to $2.25, fold, Hero calls $1.50, MP1 calls $1.50

FLOP ($7) 7 A J
SB checks, Hero bets $5.25, MP1 calls $5.25, SB folds

TURN ($17.50) 7 A J A
Hero bets $10.50, MP1 raises to $42.50 (AI), Hero calls $18.68 (AI)

RIVER ($75.86) 7 A J A K

Hero shows J J
(Pre 56%, Flop 69.3%, Turn 84.1%)

MP1 shows K A
(Pre 44%, Flop 30.7%, Turn 15.9%)

MP1 wins $72.86

Still only down half BI!!! LOL

Fold JJ pre

LOL... Took a cue from you and dropped for a bit. Will you be back at fiddy today? I'm be there'll for Happy Hour and hopefully not spew to badly.

Ill be at 50NL for another $3,147

only have half of that, sorry.

Wow, I just assumed you all played more volume than I do because you post and I lurk.

I've been targetting the Year end bonus since July...I'm Iron for 7 consec. months as of 5 days from now and anticipate a nice $600 bonus for Jan.

Maybe it's cause you are playing instead of posting

www.ihatejacks.com

Layed a bit of "mpethy" on a 2p2 reg this afternoon.

Booked myself a winning sesh so taking the rest of the day off to bask and feel good about myself. (That and we're out of TP, so a trip to the store is in order... quick.)

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($28.50)
BB ($55.30)
UTG ($53)
UTG+1 ($42.35)
UTG+2 ($110)
MP1 ($50.75)
Hero ($50)
BTN ($56.75)

Dealt to Hero 9 9
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5.25, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.75

FLOP ($11.25) 4 8 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero raises to $44.75 (AI), BTN folds

Hero shows 9 9 (yeah I know it's an OP and happened to work out. He'd been 3b'ing pretty aggressively so I was going to make a stand on any non-Ace flop)

Hero wins $22.10

Playing 100NL, I'm up $3 after 60 hands.

sustainable, imo

I was down $5.80 after 100 hands at 100NL if that makes you feel any better!

sustainable, imo

ok, is calling a river bet oop standard at 100NL after being the PFR and it goes b/c, c/c, c/b/c ?

Edit: I'm sooooooo card dead with two fish to the right and a nit to my left

up $40 after stacking one of the fish

I would say, yeah, that is standard, provided any draws missed and my hand was pretty decent--say, at worst an underpair to one card on the flop. If your hand is worse than that, calling is not standard, but highly dependent on the villain.

You generally shouldn't check/call and hand that you were prepared to check river with in the first place. DUCY?

um, lol? seriously?

Yeah, I'm serious.

And i did say GENERALLY because you might want to check/call if ALL draws missed or if he's very aggro on the river. And to balance your checking range on the river, but people don't notice so w/e.

so we are talking about the same thing. To me, the situations you describe are the general rule, not the exceptions. But we agree on when to c/c.

edit to add: in a universe where aggression factors are >2, by definition, most everybody's betting range is wider than their calling range. This is why i think that c/c ias you describe s the general rule, rather than the exception.

Having nightmares about logic questions:

[ ] Always
[x] Sometimes
[ ] Never

Always guess "sometimes" in poker lol.

Only one taker? Hmmmmmmmmm

Well, the exceptions I noted are very few and far apart so in general you don't want to c/c river. But yeah, guess we're basiclly talking 'bout the same thing. I maybe check/call river once in like 3-4k hands or something.